Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on April 27, 2020, 09:51:15 PM
Alright, looks like this wouldn't work in practice.

Why? Because there are some unresolved issues? I don't see why these cannot be resolved... Obviously no proposal is going to make everyone equally happy, but even this unfinished proposal is already many times better than the current text, which to me removes basically any value the monarchy still has.

What even remains the incentive to wait for a King to retire, when the procedure for changing King every other cosa term is the same as waiting for there to be a vacancy?

Also, why not just call it a republic then?

Quote from: Açafat del Val on April 20, 2020, 03:23:43 PM

The Cosa is accessible to everyday Talossans. If someone wants a voice in choosing the next King, they simply can become an MC.

Except nobody runs for Ziu or votes a certain way just to elect a King. Most likely when we vote in the GE we won't even know a King will be elected that term.

The Ziu (maybe, hopefully) represents the political views and general policy direction Talossans wants to take. In many other aspects it might not be representative of Talossa at all (for one thing, it is comprised entirely out of people with an interest in Talossan politics).

Ultimately when it comes to the direction of this country the power of the King is very limited. The people, both directly and through representation by the Ziu decide what the future of this country looks like, which is inclusive and democratic and overall a good thing.

But what use is there for a King then, if they are just an extension of the political hype of the day, like most other institutions already are. I'd much prefer it if our King were an extension of our long term history and culture. The long and real history of Talossa is what separates from most other micronations and what makes Talossa far more appealing. I think the selection process proposed by Ian reflects that much more than just letting the Ziu decide.

54RZ18 - The State Opening of the Cosa Redux Act: Passed (148-0-0, 5-2-0)
54RZ19 - The Investitures Act: Passed (148-0-0, 6-1-0)
54RZ20 - The NCC Redux Act: Passed (138-10-0, 5-1-1)
54RZ21 - The Túischac'h Election Bill: Passed (148-0-0, 3-2-2)
54RZ22 - The Amada Mertgedes Martyrdom Memorial Act: Passed (126-22-0, 5-1-1) (Amendment requires approval by referendum)

Voters per MZ can be found here: http://www.talossa.ca/files/cosa_vote_result.php?cosa=54&clark=4

The following members did not vote and risk losing their seats if they miss the next vote:
Jordan Placie
@mximo
@Þon Txoteu É. Davinescu

Quote from: Miestrâ Schiva, UrN on April 22, 2020, 02:26:13 AM
I just wanted to note for the SoS that I don't think a Cosa vote NEEDS a VoC any more, under the 2017 OrgLaw?

Correct. Someone pointed that out to me last clark. I asked Iason because to me his vote (Per on all) seemed ambiguous regarding the VoC. (If he hadn't replied I would have counted his votes on the bills, but not the VoC).

Quote from: Þon Txoteu É. Davinescu on April 21, 2020, 10:30:13 PM
Per    RZ18 - The State Opening of the Cosa Redux Act
Per    RZ19 - The Investitures Act
Per    RZ20 - The NCC Redux Act
Per    RZ21 - The Tuischac'h Election Bill
PEr    RZ22 - The Amada Mertgedes Martyrdom Memorial Act

From what I can tell this vote was cast after the deadline, which means I cannot count it, sorry.

Quote from: Iason Taiwos on April 20, 2020, 02:03:25 PM
Per on all

Does that include the VoC?

I guess the next step now would be for Dame Litz to appoint a replacement for the vacant senate seat. This might be a difficult challenge considering current activity levels.

No additional nominations have been received. Nor has anyone raised an objection to the above proposal.

I therefore declare that @Dame Litz Cjantscheir, UrN has been elected as the next Sénéchal of Cézembre.

Many thanks to Dame Litz for her willingness to serve. I'm glad our province is in good hands!

Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on April 14, 2020, 03:58:59 PM
OK, how about this as a starting point for discussion

-Nominations are put forward by a committee composed of all Talossans who have been a citizen for longer than 7 years.
-Nominations must be approved by 2/3 of both houses
-Confirmation in a referendum

In particular tagging @Glüc da Dhi S.H.

I like the general direction of this idea.

One thought I have is whether it might be worth to somehow make the citizenship threshold more flexible, for example depending on population size. For example in a situation like in 2005 where we simply don't have a lot of long-time citizens it might be wiser to have a slightly more lenient threshold, whereas if we ever get thousands of citizens it might be worth having a more strict threshold to prevent the nominating committee from becoming unwieldy due to its size.

I can also see the case for additional criteria or procedures to determine the membership, but I don't like the suggestion of letting the Ziu pick the members. My worry is that the Ziu might then pick the members with the intent of steering the committee to a certain outcome. This would be unneccesary anyway as the Ziu already has to approve of the proposed candidate anyway so there is no risk of the Ziu not having enough influence on the outcome.

Finally I think it would also be good to have a clear procedure and timeline established for the committee nominating a candidate. Some procedure vaguelly inspired by papal conclaves seems like an obvious choice here (as others have already hinted at).

Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on April 14, 2020, 03:58:59 PM

-Nominations are put forward by a committee composed of all Talossans who have been a citizen for longer than 7 years.

Is your idea that the committee as a whole (by majority vote or some other method) must approve of a nomination, or that any member of this committee could nominate someone?

Quote from: Dame Litz Cjantscheir, UrN on April 06, 2020, 05:57:50 PM
I will throw my wig/hat into the ring (if absolutely needed) and stand for election as Sénéchal for this term if no one else declares their desire (and are eligible) to run.

My suggestion would be that the nomination phase is now opened again, and if nobody else responds within the next week you are considered elected as the only candidate in the election.

Any objections?

Apologies for the (very long) delay in getting back to the people who responded. I will contact everyone who did before next wednesday.

If the idea is still that I will make the kahoot, then perhaps we should wait until the fourth edition, because I might not be ready in time (also, if it's on saturday I'm not sure I'll be able to attend. I will still try to be there cause I much enjoyed the last two editions.)

(Of course someone else could do it as well)

WHEREAS Hal Glaze has completed all the legal requirements for admission to the Kingdom of Talossa, and has satisfied the nation and us of his interest in Talossan citizenship (the Best Thing Money Can't Buy), of his intention and desire to participate in our national life, and of his loyalty to the Crown, we are pleased and honoured hereby to admit Hal Glaze to the exalted status of the 544th NATURALISED CITIZEN OF THE KINGDOM OF TALOSSA, and of the province of Maritiimi-Maxhestic , with all the rights, privileges, and duties thereunto appertaining.



Done by my hand in the name of King John and under his Royal Seal this 8th day of April in the year of the common era 2020, in the 13th year of the reign of our gracious sovereign King John, and of the independence of Talossa the 41st.

Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State

Quote from: Eðo Grischun on April 07, 2020, 06:13:02 PM
Just noticed that the petition doesn't include a statement in accordance with the AMPs 'Witt is not Talossa' law.

Oops, you're right. Totally forgot about that. Actually already received the oath as well. I guess Lüc will have to contact Hal outside witt and redo the petition before I can issue the grant now :(