If there are no stated objections then I will move forward with hoppering the amendment.

Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on February 02, 2024, 12:34:55 PMMy question here would be the reason behind this? I don't see a lot of requests for review from the CPI. Why add 1/3 of the Ziu? Would it make more sense to instead include the Tuischach and the Mencei instead?

One reason is to have the legal advisor of the Government (Avocat-Xheneral) be able to request an opinion like the SoS and Seneschal can. It seems reasonable for an official such as this to also be able to do so. The Tuischach and Mencei could be a part of the 1/3rd grouping.

There was a concern that one or two Ziu members could obstruct the legislative process but a group of 1/3 of seats would still be able to request an opinion but reduce that concern.

This bill has undergone review by the TNC with minor amending. It adds the A-X and a grouping of 1/3rd of the Ziu as parties who would be able to request an advisory opinion from the Judiciary.

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on January 27, 2024, 03:01:10 PMCpI Advisory Opinion Expansion Amendment

I am seeking approval to expand the number of individuals authorised to submit a request for an advisory opinion to the Cort Pu Inalt. Currently, it is limited to the King, Seneschal, and Secretary of State.

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QuoteArticle VIII, Section 6

Until such time as inferior corts are established, a Judge may sit as a nisi prius cort in all civil and criminal matters.

No decision or order issued by an inferior cort or nisi prius cort shall bind a coordinate cort.

The decisions or orders of the Cort pü Inalt shall bind all lower corts according to the doctrine of stare decisis provided that that the panel was composed of no less than three Judges after necessary recusal. The Cort pü Inalt may, as it deems appropriate, issue decisions or orders that are non-binding provided that it explicitly states that intention in the decision or order.

A nisi prius cort or an inferior cort deviating from binding precedent must state so with clarity and refer the matter for appellate review.

Notwithstanding any contrary proscription, the King, the Secretary of State, or the Senechal may refer an issue to the Cort pü Inalt for an advisory opinion provided that any such panel reviewing the position is composed of no less than three Judges after any necessary recusal, there lacks a live case or controversy that would otherwise determine the issue, and there is a reasonably need for resolution of the question.

A matter arising under the Covenants of Rights and Freedoms is appealable as of right to the Cort pü Inalt. In all other instances, the Cort pü Inalt may not be compelled to exercise its appellate authority. However, when declining to do so, the Cort pü Inalt must issue an order declaring such, and no such declaration shall be deemed as the Cort pü Inalt adopting or setting as binding precedent the appealed from decision or order.

The Cort pü Inalt, and any other cort existing under this article, shall interpret all matters through the lens of the Covenants of Rights and Freedoms.

Any Judge that is a named party in a matter shall recuse himself or herself from hearing any and all parts of the matter.

Is amended to read as follows:

Article VIII, Section 6

QuoteUntil such time as inferior corts are established, a Judge may sit as a nisi prius cort in all civil and criminal matters.

No decision or order issued by an inferior cort or nisi prius cort shall bind a coordinate cort.

The decisions or orders of the Cort pü Inalt shall bind all lower corts according to the doctrine of stare decisis provided that that the panel was composed of no less than three Judges after necessary recusal. The Cort pü Inalt may, as it deems appropriate, issue decisions or orders that are non-binding provided that it explicitly states that intention in the decision or order.

A nisi prius cort or an inferior cort deviating from binding precedent must state so with clarity and refer the matter for appellate review.

Notwithstanding any contrary proscription, the King, the Secretary of State, the Senechal, the Avocat-Xheneral, or Ziu members representing at least 1/3rd of seats in either the Cosa and/or Senate may refer an issue to the Cort pü Inalt for an advisory opinion provided that any such panel reviewing the position is composed of no less than three Judges after any necessary recusal, there lacks a live case or controversy that would otherwise determine the issue, and there is a reasonably need for resolution of the question.

A matter arising under the Covenants of Rights and Freedoms is appealable as of right to the Cort pü Inalt. In all other instances, the Cort pü Inalt may not be compelled to exercise its appellate authority. However, when declining to do so, the Cort pü Inalt must issue an order declaring such, and no such declaration shall be deemed as the Cort pü Inalt adopting or setting as binding precedent the appealed from decision or order.

The Cort pü Inalt, and any other cort existing under this article, shall interpret all matters through the lens of the Covenants of Rights and Freedoms.

Any Judge that is a named party in a matter shall recuse himself or herself from hearing any and all parts of the matter.

Quote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on February 01, 2024, 08:56:58 PM

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on January 31, 2024, 11:57:26 AMWhereases to come soon.

THEREFORE, Article 7.6 of Title E of El Lexhatx, which reads:

7.6. VUODE PROVINCE. Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Vuode Province: the City of Milwaukee (WI) and all suburbs of Milwaukee, which lie to the north and east of the City of Milwaukee; and the U.S. states of Connecticut, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania; and the Mexican States of Aguascalientes, Baja California, Baja California Sur, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Durango, Guanajuato, Jalisco, Nayarit, Nuevo Leon, Sinaloa, San Luis Potosi, Sonora, Tamaulipas, Queretero, and Zacatecas. Internationally, the nations of Algeria, Chad, Libya, Mali, Mauritania, Morocco, Niger, Tunisia, and Western Sahara.

is amended by inserting "Minnesota," after "Michigan," to read:

7.6. VUODE PROVINCE. Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Vuode Province: the City of Milwaukee (WI) and all suburbs of Milwaukee, which lie to the north and east of the City of Milwaukee; and the U.S. states of Connecticut, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania; and the Mexican States of Aguascalientes, Baja California, Baja California Sur, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Durango, Guanajuato, Jalisco, Nayarit, Nuevo Leon, Sinaloa, San Luis Potosi, Sonora, Tamaulipas, Queretero, and Zacatecas. Internationally, the nations of Algeria, Chad, Libya, Mali, Mauritania, Morocco, Niger, Tunisia, and Western Sahara.

FURTHERMORE, Article 7.8 of Title E of El Lexhatx, which reads:

7.8. FLORENCIA PROVINCE. Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Florencia Province: the Wisconsin counties of Ashland, Bayfield, Brown, Burnett, Douglas, Florence, Forest, Iron, Lincoln, Langlade, Marinette, Menominee, Oconto, Oneida, Outagamie, Price, Rusk, Sawyer, Shawano, Taylor, Vilas, and Washburn; and the U.S. states and territories of Alaska, American Samoa, Colorado, Guam, Hawaii, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, North Dakota, Northern Marianas Islands, Oregon, South Dakota, Utah, Washington, Wyoming; and the Canadian provinces and territories of Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, Northwest Territory, Nunavut, Ontario, Saskatchewan and Yukon Territory. Internationally, the nations of Brunei, Bouganville, Fiji, Indonesia, Japan, Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, North Korea, Palau, Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Samoa, Singapore, Solomon Islands, South Korea, Taiwan, Tonga, Vanuatu.

is amended by removing the word "Minnesota," to read:

7.8. FLORENCIA PROVINCE. Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Florencia Province: the Wisconsin counties of Ashland, Bayfield, Brown, Burnett, Douglas, Florence, Forest, Iron, Lincoln, Langlade, Marinette, Menominee, Oconto, Oneida, Outagamie, Price, Rusk, Sawyer, Shawano, Taylor, Vilas, and Washburn; and the U.S. states and territories of Alaska, American Samoa, Colorado, Guam, Hawaii, Idaho, Kansas, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, North Dakota, Northern Marianas Islands, Oregon, South Dakota, Utah, Washington, Wyoming; and the Canadian provinces and territories of Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, Northwest Territory, Nunavut, Ontario, Saskatchewan and Yukon Territory. Internationally, the nations of Brunei, Bouganville, Fiji, Indonesia, Japan, Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, North Korea, Palau, Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Samoa, Singapore, Solomon Islands, South Korea, Taiwan, Tonga, Vanuatu.

As the presiding officer of the Estats Xhenerais and the current Senator of Vuode I would like to request to be added as a co-sponsor on this bill please!

Of course, with pleasure!

Quote from: Bentxamì Puntmasleu on February 01, 2024, 04:37:09 PMI am realizing I have little to no idea of where to even start with this. I mean, when it comes to designing an appealing and effective flier, I'm lost.

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Bentxami, this weekend I can take a crack at it. And then send you something to mull over as a start?

Whereas, the US state of Ohio was recently sent back to its catchment home of Benito, and

Whereas, this had the unfortunate effect of reducing the catchment area of the Kingdom's least populated province, and

Whereas, this also occurred without Vuodean consultation which to paraphase Douglas Adams 'made a lot of Vuodeans very angry and might be regarded as a bad move."

THEREFORE, be it enacted by the Ziu of the Kingdom of Talossa, that Article 7.6 of Title E of El Lexhatx, which reads:

7.6. VUODE PROVINCE. Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Vuode Province: the City of Milwaukee (WI) and all suburbs of Milwaukee, which lie to the north and east of the City of Milwaukee; and the U.S. states of Connecticut, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania; and the Mexican States of Aguascalientes, Baja California, Baja California Sur, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Durango, Guanajuato, Jalisco, Nayarit, Nuevo Leon, Sinaloa, San Luis Potosi, Sonora, Tamaulipas, Queretero, and Zacatecas. Internationally, the nations of Algeria, Chad, Libya, Mali, Mauritania, Morocco, Niger, Tunisia, and Western Sahara.

is amended by inserting "Minnesota," after "Michigan," to read:

7.6. VUODE PROVINCE. Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Vuode Province: the City of Milwaukee (WI) and all suburbs of Milwaukee, which lie to the north and east of the City of Milwaukee; and the U.S. states of Connecticut, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania; and the Mexican States of Aguascalientes, Baja California, Baja California Sur, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Durango, Guanajuato, Jalisco, Nayarit, Nuevo Leon, Sinaloa, San Luis Potosi, Sonora, Tamaulipas, Queretero, and Zacatecas. Internationally, the nations of Algeria, Chad, Libya, Mali, Mauritania, Morocco, Niger, Tunisia, and Western Sahara.

FURTHERMORE, Article 7.8 of Title E of El Lexhatx, which reads:

7.8. FLORENCIA PROVINCE. Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Florencia Province: the Wisconsin counties of Ashland, Bayfield, Brown, Burnett, Douglas, Florence, Forest, Iron, Lincoln, Langlade, Marinette, Menominee, Oconto, Oneida, Outagamie, Price, Rusk, Sawyer, Shawano, Taylor, Vilas, and Washburn; and the U.S. states and territories of Alaska, American Samoa, Colorado, Guam, Hawaii, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, North Dakota, Northern Marianas Islands, Oregon, South Dakota, Utah, Washington, Wyoming; and the Canadian provinces and territories of Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, Northwest Territory, Nunavut, Ontario, Saskatchewan and Yukon Territory. Internationally, the nations of Brunei, Bouganville, Fiji, Indonesia, Japan, Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, North Korea, Palau, Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Samoa, Singapore, Solomon Islands, South Korea, Taiwan, Tonga, Vanuatu.

is amended by removing the word "Minnesota," to read:

7.8. FLORENCIA PROVINCE. Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Florencia Province: the Wisconsin counties of Ashland, Bayfield, Brown, Burnett, Douglas, Florence, Forest, Iron, Lincoln, Langlade, Marinette, Menominee, Oconto, Oneida, Outagamie, Price, Rusk, Sawyer, Shawano, Taylor, Vilas, and Washburn; and the U.S. states and territories of Alaska, American Samoa, Colorado, Guam, Hawaii, Idaho, Kansas, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, North Dakota, Northern Marianas Islands, Oregon, South Dakota, Utah, Washington, Wyoming; and the Canadian provinces and territories of Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, Northwest Territory, Nunavut, Ontario, Saskatchewan and Yukon Territory. Internationally, the nations of Brunei, Bouganville, Fiji, Indonesia, Japan, Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, North Korea, Palau, Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Samoa, Singapore, Solomon Islands, South Korea, Taiwan, Tonga, Vanuatu.

Uréu q'estadra så
Breneir Tzaracomprada (MC-TNC)
Tric'hard Lenxheir (Sen-Vuode)

Quote from: mximo on January 30, 2024, 08:02:42 PMThis is Ziu matter.

You need to clark this.

And I will support it with you.

Mximo

Thank you @mximo based on your support and my support making up the majority of votes I will withdraw the bill and move forward.

Quote from: Sir Lüc on January 31, 2024, 10:42:12 AM

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on January 30, 2024, 01:05:59 PMGood point. Do you think I should remove it as it is redundant? Also, co-sponsor? 😀

Sure! I think the provision is kinda redundant, but also we should probably-eventually-ideally review that other D.2.1 provision so that its meaning and scope get a bit clearer.

Thanks Luc, I've removed the Seneschal reference and add you as a co-sponsor. I am also more than happy to cooperate with you on language to clarify D.2.1.

Quote from: Sir Lüc on January 30, 2024, 12:20:07 PMThis looks fine to me.

The Seneschal name-drop makes me wonder how this bit of Lex.D.2.1 plays into this situation:

QuoteAccordingly, anything that any Minister can do (officially), the Seneschal may (if he desires) do himself.

This probably means that the Seneschal can not only make the envisaged appointment themselves, but also that they can presently serve on the CRL by performing the duties of the A-X (which is incidentally something I'd already talked about in that note on pre-First Clark CRL operation I re-shared recently)

Good point. Do you think I should remove it as it is redundant? Also, co-sponsor? 😀

Whereas, under current statute both the Mençéi and Túischac'h can appoint temporary replacements, and

Whereas, under current statute this option is not yet available to the Avocat-Xheneral, and

Whereas, recent circumstances have highlighted the need for the Avocat-Xheneral to have this option as well.

Therefore, be it enacted by the Ziu of the Kingdom of Talossa, that El Lexhatx Title H 6.5.3.1 which currently reads as:

Quote6.5.3.1. The Mençéi and the Túischac'h may at any time appoint and dismiss one Senator and one Membreu dal Cosă, respectively, to serve as a member of the CRL in their place.

Is amended, adding "and Avocat-Xheneral" immediately following "Túischac'h" to read as:

Quote6.5.3.1. The Mençéi, Túischac'h, and Avocat-Xheneral may at any time appoint and dismiss one Senator or one Membreu dal Cosă, to serve as a member of the CRL in their place.

Uréu q'estadra så
Breneir Tzaracomprada (MC-TNC)
Sir Lüc da Schir, UrB (MC-IND/FreeDems)
Mximo Carbonèl (Senator-Florencia)

Quote from: mximo on January 30, 2024, 07:29:53 AMHi,

New immigrants should be allocated by rotation.
Each province 1 immigrant per 8 immigrants.

If you wish to shuffle Country and State , do it for real and do a real reform not just a cosmetic one.

Mximo

Mximo the intent is not to shuffle or rotate but to give Vuode back what it lost. This would be an act of goodwill on the part of Florencia for Vuode. Florencia now has a very large area and can afford to lose one state.

Quote from: mximo on January 29, 2024, 07:09:34 AMWhy ;)))

We are already a small province.

Mximo

@mximo  Even if we donate Minnesota, Florencia would still have 26 US states, Canadian provinces, and territories along with the catchment area reform, which added a large number of nations to our area. Our population may grow with these changes. It also builds goodwill with the good people of Vuode?

Quote from: Sir Lüc on January 29, 2024, 10:43:32 AM

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on January 29, 2024, 09:29:15 AMNice, I also have a proposal under review internally by TNC members right now.

I will be glad to work with you on that when it gets Hoppered!

Thank you @Sir Lüc
This warms my heart. You are a top mind in Talossa and it would be a pleasure to work with you.

Quote from: Sir Lüc on January 29, 2024, 06:45:04 AMMoved to committee and approved. @Ian Plätschisch @Breneir Tzaracomprada

Approved

Quote from: Sir Lüc on January 29, 2024, 06:55:15 AM

Quote from: þerxh Sant-Enogat on January 27, 2024, 07:40:01 AMIn order to allow the Legislative Advisory Committee (el Comità da Redacziun Legislatïu, or CRL) to resume its operation

A quick note for the sake of posterity, so that there's no risk of someone in the future taking this as meaning that the CRL cannot operate without the A-X, or any other member, being absent.

The CRL has always been active and properly constituted throughout the now-Deputy A-X's compassionate leave, and at no time has its operation been somehow imperiled, including during the current Mençei's very drawn-out election and the service of the Senator for Fiovă as Acting Mençei, and during the vacancy in the office of Tuischac'h between Dissolution and my own re-election, where the CRL was actually operating as a two-member committee de jure, and not just de facto.

Further reading can be found here: https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=2829.0

Regardless, in the upcoming Clark I will be offering legislation to clarify this, and allow the A-X to delegate away their seat on the CRL, as part of my efforts to revamp Title H.

Nice, I also have a proposal under review internally by TNC members right now.