Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on December 28, 2021, 03:35:20 PM

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on December 28, 2021, 03:31:37 PM

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on December 28, 2021, 02:38:40 PM
Very good to see that there's some cross party buy-in for this idea!

So let's get to specifics. Let's look at current OrgLaw IV.1:

QuoteCosa is the national legislative assembly, and is composed of 200 seats apportioned among political parties based on their performance in the General Election. It may administer itself as it sees fit.

The bolded bit is the part which would right now make this suggestion unconstitutional. So - how should we change it?

If there are few cascading effects of the change then would it be simplest to just add language saying "and one additional seat per new citizen within the current Cosa session."

This sounds excellent.

Thanks S:reu Davis for furthering the discussion. That feedback means a lot. [No snark intended]

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on December 28, 2021, 03:34:45 PM

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on December 28, 2021, 03:19:55 PM
Someone who is not a member of the Cosa, Senate, or the King can not submit to the Hopper if I recall correctly.

You don't recall correctly.

Quote from: El Lexhatx H.6.1
6.1. All citizens of Talossa are entitled to participate fully in discussions and debates in the Hopper, within the bounds of law and of the decisions of the administering and presiding authorities of the Hopper. Any citizen may submit a draft of legislation to the Hopper, though these shall not be considered to be "legislative proposals" until sponsored by one or more individuals authorised to submit legislative proposals under Organic Law VII.5.

Is this a conflict? Or an extension of the OrgLaw?

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on December 28, 2021, 02:38:40 PM
Very good to see that there's some cross party buy-in for this idea!

So let's get to specifics. Let's look at current OrgLaw IV.1:

QuoteCosa is the national legislative assembly, and is composed of 200 seats apportioned among political parties based on their performance in the General Election. It may administer itself as it sees fit.

The bolded bit is the part which would right now make this suggestion unconstitutional. So - how should we change it?

If there are few cascading effects of the change then would it be simplest to just add language saying "and one additional seat per new citizen within the current Cosa session."

Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on December 28, 2021, 01:49:30 PM
Hopper submissions and debates are already open to all.

Someone who is not a member of the Cosa, Senate, or the King can not submit to the Hopper if I recall correctly. So not open to all.
I am trying to ensure that consultative members of the Cosa would be able to do so as well. 

I am referencing Article VII, Section 5 of the OrgLaw.

What about making the seats consultative? New citizen consultative seats can debate and even submit to the hopper, perhaps, but not vote. So, 200 regular and however many consultative seats needed. And maybe their consultative status would last for one full Cosa session.

That is a good idea.
There would be a nice string of connected holidays from 19-21 and 22 if a Talossan Festivus were added. It would be unique as it would be celebrated a month later than the external world celebrates it.
That would make a nice winter golden week of holidays.

At Chez Tzaracomprada, we just completed the feats of strength and the airing of grievances. Unfortunately, our steel pole is stuck in the Great Supply Chain Omnishambles of 2021. I hope everyone is enjoying this holiday created on a show about nothing (Seinfeld.)

Festivus is a pretty goofy and zany holiday which might be eligible for Talossification. Might Talossa create a Golden Week of holidays like they do in Japan?

Fellow Florencians,

As your Senator I have endeavored to represent you as well as my abilities and conscience allow. I hope it has been sufficient over this current session of the Ziu.

But I would like there to be a place where you can make your thoughts, needs, and concerns known. Should you need privacy feel free to contact me via PM here on Wittenberg, via email at copebh@gmail.com, or via phone at +1 502 294-9602.

This office shall remain open during the entirety of time I have the honor and privilege of serving you.

In service to Florencia and Talossa,
Breneir

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on December 17, 2021, 02:24:38 PM
Yes, up until Clark deadline

Amazing that your party campaigned in the last election on supporting the Original Compromise, then you voted against it, THEN you voted against this watered down version. Well has it been said that, in politics, being utterly shameless is a superpower.

@King John, I for one, will be requesting you veto this bill.

Are we allowed to change our vote?

Ah, I see in RONR:

"A member has the right to change her vote on a motion until the result of the vote has been announced by the presiding officer."

Oh well, waiting for the veto then.

Count me in.

Sigur Ros - Með Suð Í Eyrum

https://youtu.be/IfaI1k2J_9g

Update: MC Yasir is prepared to participate.
If the relevant parties are set on a Sunday ceremony then please continue without an Opposition reply.
Otherwise, please prepare directly with MC Yasir.

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on August 28, 2021, 08:55:49 AM
Heres an update:

the State Opening was scheduled to happen on Sunday 3pm GTA Time (i.e. tomorrow for me). The Seneschal and Mençei will both be able to attend, His Majesty probably wont, I have no info on the Tanaischteu (that is, S:reu Yasir) or S:reu Rôibeardescù and I can't attend for family reasons that only came up today.

S:reu Túischac'h, sorry to hear about the family issues you are having. I doubt MC Yasir will be able to participate this coming Sunday if that is the current plan. I am checking with him to be sure but am doubtful on such short notice.

Substantive differences:
Longer term (10 years)
Slightly different composition of the Conclave
Shorter period of reflection
Addition of language concerning the oath of office to be taken in a live session similar to the state opening ceremony

Minor differences:
Name of heir changed from "heir presumptive" to "King-Elect"

Additional comment:
The recent changes suggested by Distain Schiva on the "Compromise on the Compromise" would also be changes supported for this "Combined Compromise."

The proposal is to replace the current Organic Law II.3, namely

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The King of Talossa is King John I, until his demise, abdication, or removal from the throne. Should the King at any time renounce or lose his citizenship, that renunciation or loss shall be deemed to imply his abdication of the Throne. Upon the demise, abdication, or removal from the Throne of the King, the Uppermost Cort shall be a Council of Regency.

with the following:

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The King of Talossa shall be chosen by a National Conclave (Conclave) of all members of the Ziu, all members of the Cort Pü Inalt (CpI), the heads of government of all provinces, and all Talossans who have been citizens for at least ten (10) years. Every member of the Conclave shall have one vote. All the discussions of the Conclave will be open, but its votes shall be by secret ballot. The Conclave shall be chaired by the Senior Judge of the CpI, or in their absence the next available CpI judge in order of seniority, unless it decides differently.

The Conclave shall convene upon the demise, abdication, or removal from the throne of the King.
Unless the King of Talossa is chosen as their own successor they shall be deemed to have abdicated upon having served in that role for ten (10) years. There shall be no limitations on the number of allowable terms of office served.

Conclave members will vote as to whether the King shall remain on the throne. Should more than two-thirds of the Conclave express a desire that the King not remain on the throne, then the Conclave shall commence a period of reflection not to exceed three (3) months; it shall be constituted as described above, but not necessarily with the same members. After the period of reflection, the Conclave shall vote once-again as to their desire that the King remain on the throne. Should more than two-thirds once more express a desire for the King's removal then deliberations shall begin immediately on selecting a King-Elect.

The Conclave shall set its own rules as to nomination, selection, and approval of King-Elect candidates. The candidate approved by the Conclave shall be confirmed by a simple majority of the nation in an immediate referendum. Should the candidate be confirmed by popular vote then they shall receive the title of "King-Elect". The King-Elect shall swear an oath, in as practicable as possible live session, promising to protect and uphold the Organic Law of Talossa and the rights of all its citizens, and thereupon become King of Talossa.

If there is no King-Elect, the Uppermost Cort shall be a Council of Regency until a King-Elect is chosen.

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Breneir Tzaracomprada (Sen-FL)