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Offline Caleb Frenibuerg

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Application for Coat of Arms
« on: March 13, 2022, 12:08:13 PM »
What is your name?
 Caleb Frenibuerg

What is your request?
 If it so please the Squirrel King of Arms, I request the assistance of the College in designing and obtaining arms for myself and my lawful heirs.

What is your favourite colour?
Green
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Re: Application for Coat of Arms
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2022, 08:14:17 PM »
As proxy for the Dean, I hereby assign the Obliviously Auditing Fellow, @Mic’haglh Autófil , to handle this request.

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« Last Edit: March 13, 2022, 09:16:26 PM by Baron Alexandreu Davinescu »
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Re: Application for Coat of Arms
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2022, 03:18:39 PM »
After some discussion with the applicant, we have reached the following as a proposal:



Vert, a chevron Or, between a hand couped, a lion, and a heart all of the second.

The hand, for giving; the heart, for caring; the lion, for courage.

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Re: Application for Coat of Arms
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2022, 04:40:02 PM »
The arms may be too similar visually to a few other CoA's. The upraised hand on green, while gold, could possibly not pass muster of the SKA.

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Re: Application for Coat of Arms
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2022, 05:28:51 PM »
The arms may be too similar visually to a few other CoA's. The upraised hand on green, while gold, could possibly not pass muster of the SKA.

-REH

I was more attempting to avoid confusion with the arms of either Baron Hooligan or Sir Davinescu, which is why gold was used for the chevron. Were there other CoA's you had in mind?

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Re: Application for Coat of Arms
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2022, 05:46:49 PM »
The arms may be too similar visually to a few other CoA's. The upraised hand on green, while gold, could possibly not pass muster of the SKA.

-REH

I was more attempting to avoid confusion with the arms of either Baron Hooligan or Sir Davinescu, which is why gold was used for the chevron. Were there other CoA's you had in mind?

- OAF

I can see that and it will probably be ok. You need to denote the position of the lion also. I believe it would "a lion rampant."

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Re: Application for Coat of Arms
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2022, 05:48:30 PM »
The arms may be too similar visually to a few other CoA's. The upraised hand on green, while gold, could possibly not pass muster of the SKA.

-REH

I was more attempting to avoid confusion with the arms of either Baron Hooligan or Sir Davinescu, which is why gold was used for the chevron. Were there other CoA's you had in mind?

- OAF

I can see that and it will probably be ok. You need to denote the position of the lion also. I believe it would "a lion rampant."

-REH

It could also be a lion salient, since both back feet are on the ground.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_(heraldry)#:~:text=A%20%22lion%20sejant%22%20is%20sitting,both%20forepaws%20on%20the%20ground.&text=A%20%22lion%20sejant%20erect%22%20is,%22sejant%2Drampant%22).&text=A%20%22lion%20couchant%22%20is%20lying,but%20with%20the%20head%20raised.

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Re: Application for Coat of Arms
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2022, 05:59:50 PM »
I would advise that it would be rampant, since salient is very rare and depicts the moment of a lion's leap, according to Fox-Davies, which doesn't seem to be the case with this emblazonment.
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Re: Application for Coat of Arms
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2022, 06:54:52 PM »
In which case, rampant is normally omitted from blazons as the sort of "default" attitude for animal charges like lions, no?
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Re: Application for Coat of Arms
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2022, 10:13:28 PM »
Excuse my interjection, and not to be a party pooper, but the gold chevron on the green background may be reminding you of my arms. The charges are also in the same three positions.

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Re: Application for Coat of Arms
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2022, 10:44:57 PM »
Excuse my interjection, and not to be a party pooper, but the gold chevron on the green background may be reminding you of my arms. The charges are also in the same three positions.

Right! I knew I had seen a very similar CoA. I’d suggest this particular version might need to be changed so as not to closely resemble Ian’s.

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Re: Application for Coat of Arms
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2022, 11:17:24 PM »
I apologize for any inconveniences made.
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Re: Application for Coat of Arms
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2022, 11:21:01 PM »
I apologize for any inconveniences made.

No worries! This is all part of the process. No harm done. We will get you a grant of arms you can be proud of!

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Re: Application for Coat of Arms
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2022, 11:22:10 PM »
Excuse my interjection, and not to be a party pooper, but the gold chevron on the green background may be reminding you of my arms. The charges are also in the same three positions.
Excuse my interjection, and not to be a party pooper, but the gold chevron on the green background may be reminding you of my arms. The charges are also in the same three positions.

Right! I knew I had seen a very similar CoA. I’d suggest this particular version might need to be changed so as not to closely resemble Ian’s.

-REH
Makes sense. We may want to add S:reu Plätschisch' arms to the wiki then, too -- that's what I'm using to double-check things, unless there's a link to Burk's somewhere.

I apologize for any inconveniences made.
No apologies necessary! This is...probably a common occurrence in colleges of arms around the world, I wager.

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Re: Application for Coat of Arms
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2022, 12:07:38 AM »
After a brief consultation with the applicant, I would submit the following alterations:



Per chevron vert and argent, in chief a hand couped and lion of the second, and in base a heart of the first.

Using a division of the field instead of an ordinary is intended to avoid the issues of confusion with the arms of Baron Hooligan, Sir Davinescu, and S:reu Plätschisch. I will admit that the gold was intended to also help differentiate, and so I may have undone that differentiation by moving back to argent, but I feel like it provides better contrast, especially given the charges.

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« Last Edit: March 16, 2022, 12:14:32 AM by Mic’haglh Autófil »
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