Request from the Ministry of Culture

Started by Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir, June 21, 2022, 06:34:02 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir

To the Squirrel King of Arm,

I humbly request the colleges assistance from the college, as Minister for Culture, in order to create designs related to "Talossan versions of Letters Patent, State Awards, and other physical forms of the trappings of Monarchy and chivalry" so that these might be presented to the Ziu to be adopted for formal usage within the Kingdom of Talossa. As this is one of the goals of the Ministry to complete over the current term.

I appreciate this will be an undertaking, and can be done step by step, however, this is intended to seek the assistance of the college on this ongoing project, as the experts of heraldry within the Kingdom, this is in your expertise. to work with the Min Culture to make these proposals into reality.

I look forward to hearing you reply.

Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir
Ministră dal Cúltură/Minister for Culture
Party Secretary of the Free Democrats of Talossa
https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?board=34.0
Talossans in Christ Church :-
http://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=294.0
Başbakan of Ataturk

Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB

Azul,

Can you be specific as to what you desire to be created?

Thanks,

- Rouge Elephant Herald
Sir Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, UrB, GST, O.SPM, SMM
Secretár d'Estat
Guaír del Sabor Talossan
The Squirrel Viceroy of Arms, The Rouge Elephant Herald, RTCoA
Cunstaval da Vuode
Justice Emeritus of the Uppermost Cort
Former Seneschal

Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir

Azul,

That is a difficult question to answer as this will be a large project, and is something that i plan to work with the College with over the current term.

To start with i suppose starting with designs for possible Letters patent, and templates that can be used for state awards such as those given by the Ziu, these designs are, intended to be for physical items for those who are given these awards, and when Letters patents are issued (the later more guidance on this will be worked on over the coming months). but one idea i have for that is that when arms and/or titles are granted, that could be done, by letters patent, and a physical copy of this could be sent to those who are given these awards.

Other ideas may also come up in future, and i am aware that these will need to be adopted by the Ziu, and to have legislation around them, however it is part of the Min Cultures agenda for the term, so i thought, the sooner we can start working towards designs for "physical trappings of Monarchy" and all of the things with that, the better.

Again, i know this is alot, and is something that is to be done in stages, but i thought, having it all under one request, as they all tie into each other would be the easiest path to go down.
As soon more things are firmed up, ill put them here, but for now, starting with Letters Patents seems to be the easiest place to start.

However, as indicated, this isnt a usual request for one item, more of a collaboration between the college of arms, and the ministry of culture, to make this request possible. I hope this has made some sense. And i look forward to working with the college on this.

Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir
Ministră dal Cúltură/Minister for Culture
Party Secretary of the Free Democrats of Talossa
https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?board=34.0
Talossans in Christ Church :-
http://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=294.0
Başbakan of Ataturk

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

Did the Government have something like this in mind?

Quote from: King John on April 20, 2021, 04:13:53 PM
As a note to the above, I will add too that fine-paper versions of the Talossan grants above will be formally sealed and signed by me and sent to those individuals who indicated to my former regent that they wished for them.  Here is a picture of an example, pre-signature.



-NRH
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on June 22, 2022, 07:10:32 PM
Did the Government have something like this in mind?

Quote from: King John on April 20, 2021, 04:13:53 PM
As a note to the above, I will add too that fine-paper versions of the Talossan grants above will be formally sealed and signed by me and sent to those individuals who indicated to my former regent that they wished for them.  Here is a picture of an example, pre-signature.



-NRH

I had forgotten this was posted, but in terms of issuing titles, that is a start, although, in the design for such a thing, perhaps also, including the coat of arms of the monarch at the top, and where appropriate, the CoA of the person getting the title, with the updated arms reflecting their title, also, the seal of the realm should be included too, to make the design feel more Talossan, authentic, and personal to the individual. Also, having a slightly different design for each rank would also be an idea.
The same could also be done with awards from the Ziu.

The Culture department is also thinking of other things that could be designed, and will post such ideas here when we have them, as i had said in an earlier post, this is intended as a collaboration project with the Min Culture and the College of Arms. 
Party Secretary of the Free Democrats of Talossa
https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?board=34.0
Talossans in Christ Church :-
http://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=294.0
Başbakan of Ataturk

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

Quote from: Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on June 26, 2022, 08:09:58 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on June 22, 2022, 07:10:32 PM
Did the Government have something like this in mind?

Quote from: King John on April 20, 2021, 04:13:53 PM
As a note to the above, I will add too that fine-paper versions of the Talossan grants above will be formally sealed and signed by me and sent to those individuals who indicated to my former regent that they wished for them.  Here is a picture of an example, pre-signature.



-NRH

I had forgotten this was posted, but in terms of issuing titles, that is a start, although, in the design for such a thing, perhaps also, including the coat of arms of the monarch at the top, and where appropriate, the CoA of the person getting the title, with the updated arms reflecting their title, also, the seal of the realm should be included too, to make the design feel more Talossan, authentic, and personal to the individual. Also, having a slightly different design for each rank would also be an idea.
The same could also be done with awards from the Ziu.

The Culture department is also thinking of other things that could be designed, and will post such ideas here when we have them, as i had said in an earlier post, this is intended as a collaboration project with the Min Culture and the College of Arms.

So this would be for people being granted titles?  That's an exceedingly rare circumstance!  Do you perhaps mean knighthoods?  Or possible even grants of arms?  Letters patent may be issued for just about any dignity granted by the sovereign.

Certainly slapping a couple of images on there is pretty easy to do, whichever you choose.

-NRH
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB

I believe the minister only brought up an example in response to my question about what she was asking for. There is not a lot of business before the College so I look forward to seeing what kind of collaborations we can do here.

-REH
Sir Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, UrB, GST, O.SPM, SMM
Secretár d'Estat
Guaír del Sabor Talossan
The Squirrel Viceroy of Arms, The Rouge Elephant Herald, RTCoA
Cunstaval da Vuode
Justice Emeritus of the Uppermost Cort
Former Seneschal

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

Can the Coletx do anything more to help move this along, @Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir ?  We would love to assist.

-NRH
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir

My apologies for a delayed reply to this, REH was correct in using the topics above as examples, and i welcome that the college is eager to help with this, and as we have already talked about letters patent, that i think may as well be the first project, whilst i work out what other projects can be worked on, and once designs have been made, then will hopefully have further ideas to bring to the college.
Party Secretary of the Free Democrats of Talossa
https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?board=34.0
Talossans in Christ Church :-
http://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=294.0
Başbakan of Ataturk

Mic’haglh Autófil, SMC MC EiP

Quote from: Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on July 22, 2022, 06:46:48 PM
My apologies for a delayed reply to this, REH was correct in using the topics above as examples, and i welcome that the college is eager to help with this, and as we have already talked about letters patent, that i think may as well be the first project, whilst i work out what other projects can be worked on, and once designs have been made, then will hopefully have further ideas to bring to the college.
As I envision it, the letters patent form the template that gets more specialized for other purposes, but I'll leave the determination of whether that's acceptable up to the Minister.

- TLF
The Long Fellow, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Specialist, Els Zuávs da l'Altahál Rexhitál
Cäps Naziunal, Parti da Reformaziun

Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, MoFA on July 22, 2022, 06:57:43 PM
Quote from: Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on July 22, 2022, 06:46:48 PM
My apologies for a delayed reply to this, REH was correct in using the topics above as examples, and i welcome that the college is eager to help with this, and as we have already talked about letters patent, that i think may as well be the first project, whilst i work out what other projects can be worked on, and once designs have been made, then will hopefully have further ideas to bring to the college.
As I envision it, the letters patent form the template that gets more specialized for other purposes, but I'll leave the determination of whether that's acceptable up to the Minister.

- TLF

That is true, and what i am thinking in regards of that, is that perhaps different categories are made under the umbrella of letters patent, with each sub category having a seperate template to use for the needed purpose?
Party Secretary of the Free Democrats of Talossa
https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?board=34.0
Talossans in Christ Church :-
http://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=294.0
Başbakan of Ataturk

Mic’haglh Autófil, SMC MC EiP

Quote from: Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on July 22, 2022, 07:02:25 PM
Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, MoFA on July 22, 2022, 06:57:43 PM
Quote from: Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on July 22, 2022, 06:46:48 PM
My apologies for a delayed reply to this, REH was correct in using the topics above as examples, and i welcome that the college is eager to help with this, and as we have already talked about letters patent, that i think may as well be the first project, whilst i work out what other projects can be worked on, and once designs have been made, then will hopefully have further ideas to bring to the college.
As I envision it, the letters patent form the template that gets more specialized for other purposes, but I'll leave the determination of whether that's acceptable up to the Minister.

- TLF

That is true, and what i am thinking in regards of that, is that perhaps different categories are made under the umbrella of letters patent, with each sub category having a seperate template to use for the needed purpose?
Basically, yes. "Letters patent" is sort of a broad category that includes a bunch of other things we're thinking of, that can include grants of arms, honors, letters of credit (ambassadors), etc.
The Long Fellow, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Specialist, Els Zuávs da l'Altahál Rexhitál
Cäps Naziunal, Parti da Reformaziun

Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, MoFA on July 22, 2022, 07:39:34 PM
Quote from: Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on July 22, 2022, 07:02:25 PM
Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, MoFA on July 22, 2022, 06:57:43 PM
Quote from: Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on July 22, 2022, 06:46:48 PM
My apologies for a delayed reply to this, REH was correct in using the topics above as examples, and i welcome that the college is eager to help with this, and as we have already talked about letters patent, that i think may as well be the first project, whilst i work out what other projects can be worked on, and once designs have been made, then will hopefully have further ideas to bring to the college.
As I envision it, the letters patent form the template that gets more specialized for other purposes, but I'll leave the determination of whether that's acceptable up to the Minister.

- TLF

That is true, and what i am thinking in regards of that, is that perhaps different categories are made under the umbrella of letters patent, with each sub category having a seperate template to use for the needed purpose?
Basically, yes. "Letters patent" is sort of a broad category that includes a bunch of other things we're thinking of, that can include grants of arms, honors, letters of credit (ambassadors), etc.

I am aware of the above, i think maybe, to start letters patent on the issuance of Arms can be done first, then honours, and after which we can look into other options but yeah if we start with one template, at least then the ball would have started to roll. (Also, i apologise for not replying earlier, i forgot that i hadn't, and after checking just now, i realised my mistake), but yes, if we start on Letters patent re Arms then we can move onto other areas, after further discussion
Party Secretary of the Free Democrats of Talossa
https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?board=34.0
Talossans in Christ Church :-
http://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=294.0
Başbakan of Ataturk

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

This sort of thing seems like it might be in the wheelhouse of the Blanc Wolf Herald -- @King John , maybe you have some ideas?

-The Dean
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB

Has there been any progress in this request?

- The Squirrel Viceroy of Arms/Rouge Elephant Herald
Sir Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, UrB, GST, O.SPM, SMM
Secretár d'Estat
Guaír del Sabor Talossan
The Squirrel Viceroy of Arms, The Rouge Elephant Herald, RTCoA
Cunstaval da Vuode
Justice Emeritus of the Uppermost Cort
Former Seneschal