Symbols of the Ziu

[Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be]

Fun fact: Maritiimi-Maxhestic owns that tower, but Vuode owns the water inside.

-NRH

Let me guess -- water outlet pipe is on the Vuode side?

(Or this is just another Talossan "for the lulz" legal oddity... :P )

- TLF

[Baron Alexandreu Davinescu]

Fun fact: Maritiimi-Maxhestic owns that tower, but Vuode owns the water inside.

-NRH

Let me guess -- water outlet pipe is on the Vuode side?

(Or this is just another Talossan "for the lulz" legal oddity... :P )

- TLF

The border between the provinces seems to either split the tower in half (most likely) or possibly place the whole thing in M-M (also known as the Greatest Province), although it's not quite clear.  In 2013, it came under dispute briefly, and I proposed the current solution.  It didn't get codified into law until 2015's Rightfully Ours Act in M-M written by the current Seneschal, a provision that was not mirrored by Vuode.

THE RIGHTFULLY OURS ACT

WHEREAS There seems to be some doubt as to whether or not Maritiimi-Maxhestic can claim ownership of the Historic Water Tower, and
WHEREAS We conducted a completely legitimate deal with Vuode concerning this, and
WHEREAS That deal gives us ownership of the Water Tower, and
WHEREAS Vuode will shortly become part of Maritiimi-Maxhestic anyway, and
WHEREAS It is unlikely that Vuodeans could suitably appreciate the Water Tower even if they did have a claim to it

THEREFORE Maritiimi-Maxhestic hereby reaffirms it's rightful claim to the Historic Water Tower, while also recognizing Vuode's claim to the water contained within the Tower.

Uréu q'estadra så;
Ian Plätschisch

This position was informally affirmed by the sole active Vuodean shortly thereafter during merger talks, and their own laws about canton borders seem to specifically also agree.  This puts the legal status in a sort of nebulous gray area, but since the truth and necessary outcome are obvious that barely matters.

Speaking of which, maybe we should restart those merger talks under the previously-agreed terms.  Etho wrote a great prospective constitution.

-NRH

[Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat]

I threw together a quick Merrill mockup.  Not sure how I feel about it, still.  It's kind of cool that it's asymmetrical, I guess.

-NRH

That's a very good start Baron! If you break it up with windows similar to the actual building, I think it would have a similar look to the portcullis, but still be unique to Talossa.

-OAF

[Baron Alexandreu Davinescu]

I threw together a quick Merrill mockup.  Not sure how I feel about it, still.  It's kind of cool that it's asymmetrical, I guess.

-NRH

That's a very good start Baron! If you break it up with windows similar to the actual building, I think it would have a similar look to the portcullis, but still be unique to Talossa.

-OAF

Really?  Okay, I'll take another pass at it (or anyone else is also welcome to do so).  I'll add stylized windows and fiddle with the dimensions.

-NRH

[Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat]

So I took a wag at using the Noir Raven Herald's base. I'm looking for some feedback before I get in too deep  ;D



- OAF

[Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be]

So I took a wag at using the Noir Raven Herald's base. I'm looking for some feedback before I get in too deep  ;D



- OAF

I actually rather like the badge that uses just the central tower, the last one you have uploaded, though both of them are good.

- TLF

[King Txec]

I like the simplicity of the single tower.

-REH

[Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat]

Thank you all for the feedback! Here is the full set using just the central tower.

-OAF

[Baron Alexandreu Davinescu]

Looks great! If you feel up to it, I'd also suggest maybe taking a run at an entirely new version of the flag. The current design is neither pretty nor practical, in my opinion, and if we're already shifting then it makes sense to explore different possibilities.

-NRH

[Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat]

Looks great! If you feel up to it, I'd also suggest maybe taking a run at an entirely new version of the flag. The current design is neither pretty nor practical, in my opinion, and if we're already shifting then it makes sense to explore different possibilities.

-NRH

Thank you! I'll do a little brainstorming on the flag and see what falls out  ;D

-OAF

[Danihel Txechescu]

Thank you all for the feedback! Here is the full set using just the central tower.

If I may approach the College, I have a comment regarding this design.

It is absolutely marvelous to see something new, fresh and definitive for the Ziu, but I believe the isolated symbol (middle of the building) is very difficult to understand without looking at the image of the entire building first. I mean, just looking at that alone... what is it?

Also, is it supposed to be funny with the eyes and the mouth? Not that it was put there intentionally, but I feel it demerits the seriousness of the house of law that it should represent.

[Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat]

Also, is it supposed to be funny with the eyes and the mouth? Not that it was put there intentionally, but I feel it demerits the seriousness of the house of law that it should represent.

Thank you for your comments! No, it's not meant to be a face or to be funny, that's how the windows at the front of the building look.



-OAF

[Baron Alexandreu Davinescu]

That's a pretty good and valuable point from someone who hadn't already seen the source image. We don't want this whole thing to be opaque and silly looking to people who don't already know its meaning.

I wonder if the fact that the building facade is within a frame is what makes it hard to parse. Would it be better without the decorative frame, possibly?

-NRH

[Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat]

Or perhaps focusing on the top half of the facade which is the most unique part of it, and would keep it from looking like a face... I can also do a couple of details on the towers on either side as well.

-OAF

[King Txec]

Or perhaps focusing on the top half of the facade which is the most unique part of it, and would keep it from looking like a face... I can also do a couple of details on the towers on either side as well.

-OAF

I like this version as well.

-REH

[Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat]

I've done a little embellishment. Submitted for your review.

-OAF

[Breneir Tzaracomprada]

I've done a little embellishment. Submitted for your review.

-OAF

This is lovely, Carlus!

[Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat]

I've done a little embellishment. Submitted for your review.

-OAF

This is lovely, Carlus!

Thank you!

I thought the bottom looked a little strange so here is a version cropped.

-OAF

[Baron Alexandreu Davinescu]

I like that a lot. A stylized representation of the top of the Merrill building... That seems very suitable.

It's basically a square in proportions, so I think any containers or borders around it should be rounded squares. They should preferably also be simple, since the emblem itself is quite visually complex already. We can't just differentiate with red and green, since the most common form of color blindness prevents people from being able to distinguish those easily. Maybe each house of the Ziu gets a different style of border? Like the Cosa gets a single line border, while the Senats gets a triple line?

-NRH

[Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat]

I like that a lot. A stylized representation of the top of the Merrill building... That seems very suitable.

It's basically a square in proportions, so I think any containers or borders around it should be rounded squares. They should preferably also be simple, since the emblem itself is quite visually complex already. We can't just differentiate with red and green, since the most common form of color blindness prevents people from being able to distinguish those easily. Maybe each house of the Ziu gets a different style of border? Like the Cosa gets a single line border, while the Senats gets a triple line?

-NRH

Something kind of like this?

-OAF