Symbols of the Ziu

Started by Baron Alexandreu Davinescu, July 05, 2022, 01:50:06 PM

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Danihel Txechescu

Quote from: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on August 08, 2022, 11:26:23 AMThank you all for the feedback! Here is the full set using just the central tower.

If I may approach the College, I have a comment regarding this design.

It is absolutely marvelous to see something new, fresh and definitive for the Ziu, but I believe the isolated symbol (middle of the building) is very difficult to understand without looking at the image of the entire building first. I mean, just looking at that alone... what is it?

Also, is it supposed to be funny with the eyes and the mouth? Not that it was put there intentionally, but I feel it demerits the seriousness of the house of law that it should represent.

Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat

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Quote from: Danihel Txechescu on August 08, 2022, 03:43:05 PM
Also, is it supposed to be funny with the eyes and the mouth? Not that it was put there intentionally, but I feel it demerits the seriousness of the house of law that it should represent.

Thank you for your comments! No, it's not meant to be a face or to be funny, that's how the windows at the front of the building look.



-OAF
The Fulbright Fellow, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Member, Talossan Science Fiction, Fantasy & Whisky Society
Membreu dal Urderi dal Provinçù Soveran da Maricopa

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

That's a pretty good and valuable point from someone who hadn't already seen the source image. We don't want this whole thing to be opaque and silly looking to people who don't already know its meaning.

I wonder if the fact that the building facade is within a frame is what makes it hard to parse. Would it be better without the decorative frame, possibly?

-NRH
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat

Or perhaps focusing on the top half of the facade which is the most unique part of it, and would keep it from looking like a face... I can also do a couple of details on the towers on either side as well.

-OAF
The Fulbright Fellow, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Member, Talossan Science Fiction, Fantasy & Whisky Society
Membreu dal Urderi dal Provinçù Soveran da Maricopa

Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB

Quote from: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on August 08, 2022, 08:12:50 PM
Or perhaps focusing on the top half of the facade which is the most unique part of it, and would keep it from looking like a face... I can also do a couple of details on the towers on either side as well.

-OAF

I like this version as well.

-REH
Sir Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, UrB, GST, O.SPM, SMM
Secretár d'Estat
Guaír del Sabor Talossan
The Squirrel Viceroy of Arms, The Rouge Elephant Herald, RTCoA
Cunstaval da Vuode
Justice Emeritus of the Uppermost Cort
Former Seneschal

Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat

I've done a little embellishment. Submitted for your review.

-OAF
The Fulbright Fellow, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Member, Talossan Science Fiction, Fantasy & Whisky Society
Membreu dal Urderi dal Provinçù Soveran da Maricopa

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on August 09, 2022, 11:55:05 AM
I've done a little embellishment. Submitted for your review.

-OAF

This is lovely, Carlus!


Distain, MC
Fighting the good fight

Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on August 09, 2022, 12:02:24 PM
Quote from: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on August 09, 2022, 11:55:05 AM
I've done a little embellishment. Submitted for your review.

-OAF

This is lovely, Carlus!


Thank you!

I thought the bottom looked a little strange so here is a version cropped.

-OAF
The Fulbright Fellow, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Member, Talossan Science Fiction, Fantasy & Whisky Society
Membreu dal Urderi dal Provinçù Soveran da Maricopa

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

I like that a lot. A stylized representation of the top of the Merrill building... That seems very suitable.

It's basically a square in proportions, so I think any containers or borders around it should be rounded squares. They should preferably also be simple, since the emblem itself is quite visually complex already. We can't just differentiate with red and green, since the most common form of color blindness prevents people from being able to distinguish those easily. Maybe each house of the Ziu gets a different style of border? Like the Cosa gets a single line border, while the Senats gets a triple line?

-NRH
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on August 09, 2022, 12:28:00 PM
I like that a lot. A stylized representation of the top of the Merrill building... That seems very suitable.

It's basically a square in proportions, so I think any containers or borders around it should be rounded squares. They should preferably also be simple, since the emblem itself is quite visually complex already. We can't just differentiate with red and green, since the most common form of color blindness prevents people from being able to distinguish those easily. Maybe each house of the Ziu gets a different style of border? Like the Cosa gets a single line border, while the Senats gets a triple line?

-NRH

Something kind of like this?

-OAF
The Fulbright Fellow, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Member, Talossan Science Fiction, Fantasy & Whisky Society
Membreu dal Urderi dal Provinçù Soveran da Maricopa

Baron Alexandreu Davinescu

That is superlative! I would submit this right now for emblems for the houses! Great work!

-NRH
Alexandreu Davinescu, Baron Davinescu del Vilatx Freiric del Vilatx Freiric es Guaír del Sabor Talossan


Bitter struggles deform their participants in subtle, complicated ways. ― Zadie Smith
Revolution is an art that I pursue rather than a goal I expect to achieve. ― Robert Heinlein

Mic’haglh Autófil, SMC MC EiP

I like the idea of differentiating the borders based on house, since that avoids some of the color problem. However, I kept the seals circular, in part because in my opinion a circle works better in the center of a flag.

I've chosen to separate the national colors between the houses for three reasons: one, as a flag design, this gives us more space without having to feel like we cannot straddle a division of the field. Two, the red in the Bicoloreu represents the Talossan people and their tenacity -- thus, as the more directly elected "popular" house, it is fitting that the Cosă uses this red. Three, green being the upper stripe and red the lower stripe is analogous to upper and lower houses.

The Senäts' more ornamental border includes eight red jewels to represent the eight provinces of the nation.

- TLF
The Long Fellow, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Specialist, Els Zuávs da l'Altahál Rexhitál
Cäps Naziunal, Parti da Reformaziun

Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, MoFA on August 09, 2022, 02:30:10 PM
I like the idea of differentiating the borders based on house, since that avoids some of the color problem. However, I kept the seals circular, in part because in my opinion a circle works better in the center of a flag.

I've chosen to separate the national colors between the houses for three reasons: one, as a flag design, this gives us more space without having to feel like we cannot straddle a division of the field. Two, the red in the Bicoloreu represents the Talossan people and their tenacity -- thus, as the more directly elected "popular" house, it is fitting that the Cosă uses this red. Three, green being the upper stripe and red the lower stripe is analogous to upper and lower houses.

The Senäts' more ornamental border includes eight red jewels to represent the eight provinces of the nation.

- TLF

These are beautiful Long Fellow!

- OAF
The Fulbright Fellow, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Member, Talossan Science Fiction, Fantasy & Whisky Society
Membreu dal Urderi dal Provinçù Soveran da Maricopa

Breneir Tzaracomprada

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, MoFA on August 09, 2022, 02:30:10 PM
I like the idea of differentiating the borders based on house, since that avoids some of the color problem. However, I kept the seals circular, in part because in my opinion a circle works better in the center of a flag.

I've chosen to separate the national colors between the houses for three reasons: one, as a flag design, this gives us more space without having to feel like we cannot straddle a division of the field. Two, the red in the Bicoloreu represents the Talossan people and their tenacity -- thus, as the more directly elected "popular" house, it is fitting that the Cosă uses this red. Three, green being the upper stripe and red the lower stripe is analogous to upper and lower houses.

The Senäts' more ornamental border includes eight red jewels to represent the eight provinces of the nation.

- TLF

Excellent work


Distain, MC
Fighting the good fight

Mic’haglh Autófil, SMC MC EiP

The Long Fellow, Royal Talossan College of Arms
Specialist, Els Zuávs da l'Altahál Rexhitál
Cäps Naziunal, Parti da Reformaziun