LCC Leadership Election (+ Recruitment Thread)

[Sir Ian Plätschisch]

Do you like the fact that Talossa is a Monarchy? Do you support a bicameral legislature? Do you think the FreeDems needs some opposition to keep them in check? If so, the League of Centre Conservatives is the party for you.

The LCC will be holding an election April 12-19 to determine who will be leading the LCC into the 56th Cosa election (spoiler alert: it won't be me), so now is a great time to get involved. To do so, send me a message.

[Tierçéu Rôibeardescù]

I would hearby wish to submit my candidature for the position of party leader.

Dark have been my dreams of late, the outside world seems grimmer than before. I used to think of talossa as a safe harbor of fun an whimsy. With a King that was a kind, interesting and benevolent.

Now we have a government that claims to be acting in our interests, yet is tearing apart our nation, both emotionally and practically. If elected I will be engaging in discussion with the free democrats, I will call them out where I see it. However I am very much done with the protracted arguments driving this nation aprt, I am very much done. I fear that down we will reach a untenable situation that will drive us apart for good.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

Now we have a government that claims to be acting in our interests, yet is tearing apart our nation, both emotionally and practically... I am very much done with the protracted arguments driving this nation aprt

With respect, Txosuè, this is the argument you've made about Talossa all the time I've know you - that it is Free Democrat politics that are "tearing the country apart", while the opposition to such policies is blameless and entirely justified. That one side is responsible when the other side gets mean. It's never been true; and right now, Talossa has been less argumentative and more polite in the last Cosă term than in most of our lifetimes.

As long as I've been involved, Talossan conservatives have claimed that Republican or reform-monarchist ideas are hurtful and upsetting and should not be allowed. But now those who want change are a clear majority. The compromise reached with the former LCC leader would put the constitutional argument to bed for a Talossan generation. Anyone who really wants the arguments to stop - as opposed to "our side to win and people who disturb me to be excluded from Talossa" - will support it.

[Tierçéu Rôibeardescù]

Long term citizens have felt so ostracised, belittled, silenced and canceled for their veiws and have since disengaged because they don't want to argue with people any more.

And now you claim that the majority now agree with you. Could it not be you have driven people away to a point the no longer wish to get involved with our policies because they are so disenfranchised with the entire process?

They may no longer be heard from but I will be their voice. I see them. If they wish to reach out to me my door as party leader will always be open.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

Long term citizens have felt so ostracised, belittled, silenced and canceled for their veiws

Oh dear God. This is just the kind of discourse we don't need in Talossa.

[Tierçéu Rôibeardescù]

And this is where this conversation with you ends, with you using a false equivalency, hooking onto one word (disregarding everything else I have said) and acting like your the victim here and I'm not going to rise to it. Good day.

[Viteu]

Long term citizens have felt so ostracised, belittled, silenced and canceled for their veiws and have since disengaged because they don't want to argue with people any more.

And now you claim that the majority now agree with you. Could it not be you have driven people away to a point the no longer wish to get involved with our policies because they are so disenfranchised with the entire process?

They may no longer be heard from but I will be their voice. I see them. If they wish to reach out to me my door as party leader will always be open.

No, people think being challenged means they're being silenced, or the new four-letter word to describe it, "cancelled." This is nonsense. People are choosing to leave because they lost their power on Talossa, and now you're just gaslighting.

Also, you're not their hero; you're not their advocate; and you're not going to gaslight your way to being the victim.

[Viteu]

I would hearby wish to submit my candidature for the position of party leader.

Dark have been my dreams of late, the outside world seems grimmer than before. I used to think of talossa as a safe harbor of fun an whimsy. With a King that was a kind, interesting and benevolent.

Now we have a government that claims to be acting in our interests, yet is tearing apart our nation, both emotionally and practically. If elected I will be engaging in discussion with the free democrats, I will call them out where I see it. However I am very much done with the protracted arguments driving this nation aprt, I am very much done. I fear that down we will reach a untenable situation that will drive us apart for good.

The talossan equivalent of those who stormed the Capitol on January 6th right here on display. We have our own tea party!

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[King Txec]

I would hearby wish to submit my candidature for the position of party leader.

Dark have been my dreams of late, the outside world seems grimmer than before. I used to think of talossa as a safe harbor of fun an whimsy. With a King that was a kind, interesting and benevolent.

Now we have a government that claims to be acting in our interests, yet is tearing apart our nation, both emotionally and practically. If elected I will be engaging in discussion with the free democrats, I will call them out where I see it. However I am very much done with the protracted arguments driving this nation aprt, I am very much done. I fear that down we will reach a untenable situation that will drive us apart for good.

Nice prose. Take a look at the last Clark and see who voted and didn't. It seems to me that the FreeDems stepped up to do the work when the opposition just vanished.

[GV]

[Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù:]

Long term citizens have felt so ostracised, belittled, silenced and canceled for their veiws

[Miestrâ:] Oh dear God. This is just the kind of discourse we don't need in Talossa.

If there is anything our King has proven over sixteen years of Talossanity, it's he's as strong as a lion and can speak for himself.  It's actually one of the things I very much like about him.  There have been moments where his inplacable and unphasable presence on the Throne of Talossa has been decisive and as someone put it some time ago in a different context, 'reassuring'.

John has not been silenced.  And he has not been 'cancelled'.  The present King of Talossa has chosen to remain silent, using the active @AlexanderDavinescu as a long-term proxy-monarch for the foreseeable future.  By doing so, John has opened the floodgates of criticism, the dehereditization of the monarchy, and possibly an early end to his reign.

As I have said before, he has established himself to be in good health and relatively crisis-free. 

In good conscience, therefore, we do not need to offer the King our thoughts and prayers for a specific set of circumstances and on his behalf, but instead can and must ask questions as to why the perpetually-inactive King of Talossa does not abdicate the Throne for someone - anyone - who actually cares to be active in doing Talossa while not relying on a long-term Regent and who has given the country no transparency in how long this regency will continue.

[Tierçéu Rôibeardescù]

[Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù:]

Long term citizens have felt so ostracised, belittled, silenced and canceled for their veiws

[Miestrâ:] Oh dear God. This is just the kind of discourse we don't need in Talossa.

If there is anything our King has proven over sixteen years of Talossanity, it's he's as strong as a lion and can speak for himself.  It's actually one of the things I very much like about him.  There have been moments where his inplacable and unphasable presence on the Throne of Talossa has been decisive and as someone put it some time ago in a different context, 'reassuring'.

John has not been silenced.  And he has not been 'cancelled'.  The present King of Talossa has chosen to remain silent, using the active @AlexanderDavinescu as a long-term proxy-monarch for the foreseeable future.  By doing so, John has opened the floodgates of criticism, the dehereditization of the monarchy, and possibly an early end to his reign.

As I have said before, he has established himself to be in good health and relatively crisis-free. 

In good conscience, therefore, we do not need to offer the King our thoughts and prayers for a specific set of circumstances and on his behalf, but instead can and must ask questions as to why the perpetually-inactive King of Talossa does not abdicate the Throne for someone - anyone - who actually cares to be active in doing Talossa while not relying on a long-term Regent and who has given the country no transparency in how long this regency will continue.

... I haven't even mentioned the king? If he wants a rest that's his right. If he wishes to. I am well aware he can talk for himself. I dont understand how on earth you got the above from what I said?

[GV]

If John is not well, we need someone to say, "John is not well.", and he will receive from me and all Talossa all the support in the world.

It is not lost on me he went inactive at about the same time the monarchy was de-hereditized by a vote of 2-1 in referendum.  It is also not lost on me he appointed AD as Regent-without-end-amen only after I publicly called on the King to give clarity to his absence.

We look forward to his immediate return to his once-normal level of Talossan activity and attention.

[Tierçéu Rôibeardescù]

I have no insider knowledge for you, however again we are all entitled as citzans of talossa to prioritize or extra talossa activities should we see fit as we must respect each other in that.

[Viteu]

I have no insider knowledge for you, however again we are all entitled as citzans of talossa to prioritize or extra talossa activities should we see fit as we must respect each other in that.

That's not what he's doing. He's virtually abdicated without even so much as a cursory explanation or eta on return. But even setting that aside, if Talossan want to keep the monarchy as is, they could have voted for that (anonymously in fact thanks to those radicals in the Free Democrats). If you're going to take on some great defender role, at least bother to get your facts right.

[GV]

I have no insider knowledge for you, however again we are all entitled as citzans of talossa to prioritize or extra talossa activities should we see fit as we must respect each other in that.

Not when he is well and is monarch.  If I can go incommunicado for one week as PM (way back when) and have the country up in arms, we can get up-in-arms over King John's rest and relaxation.

[Tierçéu Rôibeardescù]

From my perspective my facts are correct. We have had a drop off activity from long term citizens of talossa. Disenfranchisement is often cited as the reason. As leader I will attempt to reach out to these citzans to hopefully bring them back into the fold. If your having a mental health brake from talossa that is perfectly acceptable, which is as I have already said, applies to everyone. I myself required this in recent times for medical reasons. I see the referendum as what it was constently spouted as, non legally binding and of people currently active. That currently active majority is mostly republicans because more monarchist and conservatives have been driven away by aggressive retoric. Shout at all the people that disagree with you untill your the only one left in the room, then elect yourself president as you have the majority.

As has been said this is a leadership 'election' and I welcome any of my fellow LCC members to also run for the position. I don't wish to argue with them, I wish to build each other up.

[Tierçéu Rôibeardescù]

I have no insider knowledge for you, however again we are all entitled as citzans of talossa to prioritize or extra talossa activities should we see fit as we must respect each other in that.

Not when he is well and is monarch.  If I can go incommunicado for one week as PM (way back when) and have the country up in arms, we can get up-in-arms over King John's rest and relaxation.

Who are you to talk of his health? Maybe he does not see talossa a safe space anymore for him to divulge his personal, private information. That can include his health (both physical and mental),his personal circumstances,  his professional work life balance. If he wishes not to disclose that information it is his prerogative.

We already have had citzans of talossa been the subject of targeted attack on this right to a private life though the contacting of someone's manager at work, a threat to there professional livelihood.

When I first joined talossa back in 2014 I never dreamt of such a thing occurring. This was a fun, vibrant place as you have prointed out in your previous post. We should not attack each other to a point where people have to re-evaluate weather continued engagement could put there professional lives at such a risk.

We have rights to our own privacy and no law in talossa will and shall never infringe that right.

[Viteu]

I have no insider knowledge for you, however again we are all entitled as citzans of talossa to prioritize or extra talossa activities should we see fit as we must respect each other in that.

Not when he is well and is monarch.  If I can go incommunicado for one week as PM (way back when) and have the country up in arms, we can get up-in-arms over King John's rest and relaxation.

Who are you to talk of his health? Maybe he does not see talossa a safe space anymore for him to divulge his personal, private information. That can include his health (both physical and mental),his personal circumstances,  his professional work life balance. If he wishes not to disclose that information it is his prerogative.

We already have had citzans of talossa been the subject of targeted attack on this right to a private life though the contacting of someone's manager at work, a threat to there professional livelihood.

When I first joined talossa back in 2014 I never dreamt of such a thing occurring. This was a fun, vibrant place as you have prointed out in your previous post. We should not attack each other to a point where people have to re-evaluate weather continued engagement could put there professional lives at such a risk.

We have rights to our own privacy and no law in talossa will and shall never infringe that right.

Back when I joined in 2006, the monarchist were happy because they were in power. Talossa was a one-party state. Then came reunison and the prevailing wisdom in the RUMP was that the republicans would be contained. But as they grew in power, or rather, as the opposition to the one-party state grew and forced the RUMP from power, the rhetoric overtly changed to, "if another party gets in power; I'm going inactive/renouncing etc." This was certainly what happened with Mick (an avowed monarchist I still respect). Hooly jumped ship because his power waned and then he did some shady stuff and did not want to answer for it before Talossan courts. Others have disappeared because they no longer have the power the hardcore monarchist once had.  I can go through and archive my old gmail conversations with several RUMPers and do a massive document dump. I was there; you were not.

This is NOT about hateful rhetoric.  This is not about heated debate.  That is pure gaslighting and revisionism on your part to obfuscate a patent ad hominem attack on republicanism.  The reality is that minds had already been made that if republicanism actually stood a chance; or a weakened monarchy were possible; or the Talossan conservatives were too weak, then people would leave Talossa because, simply, they did not want to be in the minority EVER. The fact that you're trying to spin this as anything else underscores that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Finally, you have the audacity to say to GV, "Who are you to talk of his health?" and then speculate on John's snowflakery. The King does not get to play private citizen and then control the fate of Talossa at whim. The monarch is an organ of the State, something your lot is keen to perpetuate. Organs of the State are treated as that--if the Ziu and the Seneschal and the Cort and any other part of the State is subject to scrutiny, the King does not get to hide behind, "wahhhh you are being mean to me" or "that's personal; you're not entitled to that." Actually, because he is an organ of the State, he has put his entire life under scrutiny and availed it to public question. You don't get to act offended because we're doing exactly what gets done to every other part of the State to John.  The fact is, you're defending cowardice out of some Talossan daddy issues, and it's intolerable. Talossa was technically more vibrant in 2006 when it was a one-party state, because we could do things like "silly walks" and "funny hats" and talk about beer, you know, when it was the virtual man-cave for a bunch of cis-het white guys.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

as the opposition to the one-party state grew and forced the RUMP from power, the rhetoric overtly changed to, "if another party gets in power; I'm going inactive/renouncing etc." This was certainly what happened with Mick (an avowed monarchist I still respect). Hooly jumped ship because his power waned and then he did some shady stuff and did not want to answer for it before Talossan courts. Others have disappeared because they no longer have the power the hardcore monarchist once had.

Can I just, in this context, point out that one of the people referred to above actively threatened that, if anything but Status Quo won the recent referendum, he would renounce. Thankfully, he didn't carry through on his threat, but that really is the mentality to which we refer - cut your nose off to spite your face, then accuse the opposing part of having slashed you.

[Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC]

From my perspective my facts are correct. We have had a drop off activity from long term citizens of talossa. Disenfranchisement is often cited as the reason.

No it's not. Because no-one has been disenfranchised.

That currently active majority is mostly republicans because more monarchist and conservatives have been driven away by aggressive retoric.

No they haven't, because there has been no aggressive rhetoric, and the proof of this is you can't name any. Certain monarchists are less active because they don't want to live in a country where they're not in control, as V rightfully said. Others, such as the Regent and Sir Cresti, have continued to contribute, and I really appreciate that.

Trying to spin firm but courteous political opposition as aggression, victimisation or "bullying" is a deplorable move which we see all the time in US/UK conservative politics, and it has no place here.