Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on August 24, 2020, 09:45:28 AM
Has S:reu Yasir met the requirements currently outlined in law or not? I cannot grant him citizenship unless he has and I will need some form of proof please.

Thanks,
Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă,
Secretary of State

This is my question too now.

Quote from: Eðo Grischun on August 23, 2020, 11:44:17 PM
Could the LCC leadership please suggest how we make all existing citizens aware of the requirements of the Talossa is not Wittenberg Act?

You lay the blame at my feet, yet I have no idea how I could have let Bren here, your own party member, know that this petition cannot be made yet.

Sorry guys, it was not my intent to step into the middle of an apparent debate over the Witt Is Not Talossa Act. Nor was I a part of any blame-laying.
I saw that Dr. Txec, the current SoS had inquired about the petition, noted it had not been made, and moved to make it. I assumed that all requirements had been met based on the SoS's inquiry and the subject tagline which said "Eligible for Petition."

If the petition is premature, let me know, and I can withdraw it.

Breneir (not Bren)

WHEREAS it has been more than a fortnight since Muhammed Yasir first posted on Wittenberg, following his introduction to the citizens of the Kingdom by officers of the Interior Ministry, and

WHEREAS the said Muhammed Yasir has in that time demonstrated an active and genuine interest in Talossan life, culture, and language, and

WHEREAS the said Muhammed Yasir desires citizenship in the Kingdom of Talossa, and

WHEREAS by all indications it appears that Muhammed Yasir would be a loyal and dedicated citizen, and a credit to this nation if he obtains the grant of citizenship he requests,


THEREFORE I, Breneir Itravilatx, a citizen in good standing of the Glorious Province of Florencia and of the Kingdom of Talossa, do by these presents petition the Secretary of State to issue a grant of citizenship to Muhammed Yasir, as specified by law.


Petition submitted today, the 23rd day of August, 2020/XLI.

Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on August 15, 2020, 02:54:10 PM
As per your constitutional requirements, be it so ordered:

7 seats be allocated to the LCC
1 seat be allocated to the FreeDems.

The Nimlet shall commence on September 1, 2020.

The Chancery strongly requests a change in Florencia's constitution so they can allocate their own seats in the future.


Dr. Txec dal Nordselva
Secretary of State

Party leaders, you will need to designate who will take the seats allocated by the SoS.
@Ian Plätschisch
@Miestră Schivă, UrN

Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on August 15, 2020, 12:42:56 PM
Assuming the Nimlet gets 10 seats (minus two for Governor and Senator) that would mean the LCC gets 7 seats and the FreeDems get 1 seat. Let me know if you agree with this calculation.

I think the 10 seat total is correct, Dr. dal Nordselva. As are the party seat totals.

Breneir

@Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM

Congratulations on your appointment as the new Secretary of State.
Now that the election results have been certified by the Electoral Commission it appears you and The Chancery are designated under Florencia's provincial constitution as the procedural administrator of activities pre-commencement of the Nimlet.

Here is the relevant language under the new constitution:

Section 5. Composition of the House of Shepherds.

Whichever authority shall have conducted a provincial election for the whole House of Shepherds, either the Chancery of Talossa or the Constable of Florencia, shall publicly and at the same time, but not later than the tenth day following the certification of the same election:

   (a) Determine and fix the total number of seats for the new term of the Shepherds, which number shall be equal to the number of ballots returned in the election, less those returned and indicating "Present", plus one additional seat for each incumbent Senator for Florencia, plus one additional seat for the Governor;

   (b) Apportion among those political parties, which have received votes in the election, their respective proportional share of the number of remaining seats with respect to their electoral performance, after the assignments to the Senators and Governor; and

   (c) Fix the date for the commencement of the session of the new Nimlet, to be not later than the thirtieth day following the aforesaid certification.

As Governor of Florencia, please advise me if you should need my assistance.

Breneir

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on August 05, 2020, 09:39:03 PM
I'm partial to an electoral college of the Ziu and the provincial governments, followed by 2/3 ratification in referendum (if the Monarch is going to continue to have significant political powers; otherwise, the referendum might be skipped)

I like the electoral college of the Ziu and provincial governments as well. I think this is similar to the way the German president is elected by the Bundestag and an equal number of members of the state parliaments.

Caption contest submission:

"It was then, too late perhaps, that the good doctor realized she preferred red onions..."

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on August 03, 2020, 12:15:57 AM
BE IT ENACTED etc. etc. that the following subsection be added to section H.11 of El Lexhatx:

QuoteThe Ziu may, by a 2/3 majority in each chamber, elect a Clerk of Legislation, to be known as El Xhenistà, who will proofread and suggest revisions to all bills to be Clarked, and may request the Secretary of State to exercise their powers under this sub-section to withdraw any bill from the Clark.

This is adorable.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on August 03, 2020, 12:04:37 AM

Quote from: Breneir Itravilatx on August 02, 2020, 11:58:24 PM
I love getting name-checked after hitting a nerve.

I think you're letting your 87.5% majority go to your head there, bro

Epic comeback. The use of the word "bro" in connection with my use of it (twice!) In the Florencia boards is a nice twist. Exquisite. :-)

I am chastened. 

Quote from: Açafat del Val on August 02, 2020, 08:25:15 PM

Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on August 02, 2020, 08:14:59 PM
The LCC is still in very early days and just spent the entire election providing alternative proposals to the Free Democrats. I can assure you there will be no shortage of LCC participation in the coming months.

Respectfully: (a) I look forward to this participation, but (b) if Davinescu does not partake in this participate then he should be silent.

He can participate without or under the color of the LCC - his choice - but the principle remains. For that matter, it applies to other LCC members (such as the incumbent Governor of Florencia).

Ian, it is unacceptable to attack (even implicitly) a provincial Constitution which even Breneir critiqued and tweaked in concert with me. That's call intellectual dishonesty. I am well aware that this particular subject is well outside the bounds of this specific topic, but I bring it up to make a wider point: if the LCC is going to commence its opposition by slinging poo and arguing in bad faith, then it's a pretty poor opposition.

Attacking the FreeDems (and, conversely, attacking the LCC or NPW) is not how we rebuild or improve Talossa.

Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on August 02, 2020, 08:20:41 PM

Quote from: Açafat del Val on August 02, 2020, 07:59:00 PM
Operative word: these criticisms, not all criticisms. It's not my fault that you extrapolated past the plain language.

[picture]

;D ;)

I love getting name-checked after hitting a nerve in another section of our forum. None of this rises above a (continuing) fit of pique but it is amusing to watch.

Quote from: Açafat del Val on August 02, 2020, 01:07:02 PM
I don't know about cool stories, but they are true stories. Is this a dare to attach the email chain as well as link the Google Doc? I have no qualms about disclosing proof that the Governor and the Constable had a chance to remedy this themselves and now one of them has the gumption to pretend it's not his own shared failure.

You'll have a virtual monopoly in the next term. Have at it. Hell, write a new constitution altogether. But don't condescend Florencia with this intellectual dishonesty and passive aggression.

If you had the time to use riposte in a sentence, then you surely have time to write something more constructive and befitting of your office than "cool stories, bro".

Yeah, sure, post away. Use your time as you wish. They would be cool stories, bro...
As I said I am looking forward to getting this issue fixed through amendment once the Nimlet is convened.

Quote from: Açafat del Val on August 02, 2020, 12:25:45 PM
It is not difficult at all to accept blame when an error has occurred.

However, I stand by my assessment: the incumbent Secretary of State is being obnoxious. Perhaps he is not an obnoxious character or an obnoxious personality, but his decision in this matter is obnoxious and unduly burdensome. It is not unreasonable on behalf of this province to interpret IX.3, which says in part...

QuoteProvinces may conduct their elections themselves or delegate the conduction of their elections to the Chancery.

...as having the power to compel the Chancery to perform a simple ministerial task of the election.

I would like to point out that the incumbent Governor was invited to, and in fact did, collaborate on the same Constitution which is now posing an issue. The incumbent Constable (and King, for that matter) was invited likewise, but neglected to offer much constructive or substantial feedback. Certainly, if they had foreseen this same issue, then they would have spoken up.

I also point out, perhaps to our collective chagrin, that both the Governor and the Constable have had to be reminded during the previous Nimlet term to perform their provincial duties and, at least in one case, failed completely to do so despite those reminders. Worse: in another case, one of them took offense at having been reminded and informed - not threatened - of a potential lawsuit to compel constitutionally required performance.

One may call it ironic that a person would have been offended by a lawsuit seeking to remedy their own nonfeasance, but would then compliment and condone a malfeasant Secretary of State whose only defense is, "If you don't like it, sue me".

It is extremely pitiful that a lawsuit, whether potential or actual, is the only thing that gets attention in Florencia and produces results.

Mea culpas aren't difficult. I do hope that the named officeholders choose also to accept blame and work to fix their own errors.

Cool stories, bro.
Looking forward to the commencement of the next Nimlet. Let's get this situation fixed.  :D

Quote from: Glüc da Dhi S.H. on August 02, 2020, 11:45:42 AM
Well thanks...

The Chancery does not report to the nimlet, yet without consultation you wrote a provincial law telling the Chancery what to do. Nothing is stopping you from going to the CpI if you think I'm breaking the OrgLaw. I've tried to explain my perspective on this. Fine if you disagree with my interpretation, but please don't call me obnoxious.

(Edit: I'm fine with stubborn though)

Excellent riposte.

Quote from: Açafat del Val on August 02, 2020, 10:47:17 AM
To be extremely clear: There is no clarity on the matter. The Chancery has to complete this for us, by provincial law, or we have to break the law. It's cut and dried.

I personally would like to wait, in hopes that a successor SoS will do what his predecessor stubbornly and obnoxiously refused to do.

I appreciate you taking responsibility for this debacle.
Mea culpas are sometimes difficult.
And for providing necessary clarity on the matter.

I don't know if the Secretary of State was consulted before the Constitution came into effect but he did seem blindsided. And definitely has a different interpretation of The Chancery's role in facilitating provincial elections. I wrote this before Gluc's response.

If we do not have a Secretary of State appointee (I assume we will) by the deadlines stated in our Constitution (and enter that "weird gray zone" you referenced in an earlier post) then I will revisit this issue.

Breneir

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on August 01, 2020, 09:41:03 PM
As the SoS is resigning, maybe his successor will sort this out.

This appears to be a constitutional issue. The power to fix seats and set commencement dates was moved from the Governor to the Chancery in the recent overhaul. The now-resigned SOS expressed reservations and the position is now (or soon-to-be-vacant).

Acting in a caretaker role as outgoing Governor I am happy to complete these administrative functions but there will need to be clarity on the matter.