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Messages - Miestră Schivă, UrN

#1366
Wittenberg / Re: A Joint Statement on 55RZ21
May 04, 2021, 02:37:47 AM
For me, the 7 year renewable monarchy is a uniquely Talossan solution to a Talossan problem, and therefore Peculiarist. The problem is that a human-lifetime monarchy is FAR TOO LONG for a constitutional democracy where there's an election every 8-9 months. Talossa functions in "dog years", as it were.

QE2 of the UK has reigned 69 years and has had 14 Prime Ministers. Ian I Lupul has reigned 16 years and I was his 15th Seneschál. Talossa moves too quickly for a lifetime monarchy to be appropriate. Imagine if Victoria were still Queen, and imagine someone born in 1820-something had a veto over 21st century legislation. That's Talossa.

Of course, the other issue is that the proportion of Talossans who think that the King's behaviour (especially going AWOL) is worthy of a King is getting smaller all the time. Honestly, though, I would have been just as happy with a compromise over a purely ceremonial monarch (who would give out peerages etc. only with the advice and consent of the Government). But that option came last place in the Referendum, so we went this way.

As to why any Monarchist would put up with the Compromise? Simply put: because if they don't compromise now, something much worse is coming in a year or two years, given current demographic trends. A slightly fudgy deal now, or unconditional surrender later.
#1367
A fascinating glimpse into the mind of the Balançéu tendency of monarchists

#1368
Wittenberg / Re: A Joint Statement on 55RZ21
May 03, 2021, 09:46:55 PM
...now that you mention it...

Seriously: he's on your party list. That means you guys are now responsible for him. This whole thread started because the Free Dems are being held collectively accountable for something Txoteu said! Likewise, if the Baron is a LCC candidate, what he says and how he says it becomes the responsibility of the LCC leadership.
#1369
Wittenberg / Re: A Joint Statement on 55RZ21
May 03, 2021, 09:09:54 PM
Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on May 03, 2021, 08:58:15 PM
I didn't make any statement about whether his tone is a problem or not

Yes, I consider that a problem in itself. If only we could also reach a Historic Compromise on the question of how we treat each other in Talossa.

But if the "substantive issue" is whether the Historic Compromise is wide enough, I challenge the LCC (and the other monarchist parties, though I doubt they'll answer) to set what additional terms they would require to add to 55RZ21 so that it would be an acceptable compromise in their terms.
#1370
Wittenberg / Re: A Joint Statement on 55RZ21
May 03, 2021, 08:54:50 PM
Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on May 03, 2021, 08:48:23 PM
It seems like the Seneschal is responding to the tone of AD's argument rather than its substance,

In Talossa, it is precisely the tone of discussion that causes feelings to get hurt, tempers to rise and feuds to escalate. The Baron von Rucksack knows this perfectly well, which he why he does this. If you don't think his "tone" is a problem, then please never, ever complain about the "tone" of anything I say again.
#1371
Wittenberg / Re: A Joint Statement on 55RZ21
May 03, 2021, 08:43:51 PM
I should also note that, if the Baron of Beef were sincere, he would offer a simple compromise: "we will support 55RZ21 in exchange for an entrenchment of the current honours system". I'd go with that.
#1372
Wittenberg / Re: A Joint Statement on 55RZ21
May 03, 2021, 08:41:39 PM
Whenever the Baron von Tollbooth gets involved in a political issue, he starts with the personal abuse. His opponents are sneaky. His opponents are corrupt. His opponents lie, his opponents are shameful, and they "get caught" by the virtuous Baron. I'll never forget having to take 6 months off Talossa after the Baron harassed me into insomnia and a health breakdown over wholly imaginary corruption with the Uppermost Court.

These accusations against the new Free Democrat president are exactly the kind of assuming the absolute worst about those who disagree with you that the LCC leader claims to be against. I call upon the Baron to apologise for his attempts to demonise, discredit and smear General Davinescu. I call upon the LCC leader to disavow this poisonous rhetoric, just as he disavowed the leader of the Balancéu party's nonsense about "hate".
#1373
Quote from: xpb on May 03, 2021, 06:19:28 PM
I do not hate citizens who participate in spirited debate.  I hate the proposed change from a Kingdom

Wait. I thought it was you accusing us of being hateful, motivated by hatred, etc? Was that just projection?
#1374
Good point; though putting the most divisive person on Talossa on your party list at #3 has some of us worried
#1375
The accusation that Talossans who prefer an elected head of state, or a reformed monarchy, are motivated by "hate" is one which keeps coming up. King Robert I accused me of being motivated by "hate". It's the kind of rhetorical move you use to demonise and delegitimate political opponents without dealing with their arguments. It is the language of witch-hunting, and I use that term advisedly.

People call me call kind of horrible names, but people like XPB get away with using this rhetoric because they use it for conservative purposes.

Also, I've just been reading Kipling, and I'm pretty sure that when the leader of a wolf pack ceases to be able to lead, the other wolves kill him, or take him somewhere and let him starve to death. You don't see wolves propping up an aged, toothless, decrepit, frog-eating pack leader and weeping tears about the "hatred" of those who want a change.
#1376
FREE DEMOCRAT STATEMENTS

55RZ5 – The Self-Destructing Senäts Repeal (Organic Law Amendment) Bill

Vote PËR. Currently, all provinces conduct their own Senator elections unless they say otherwise. But a province without a functioning government can't conduct an election, nor ask for Chancery help, so can't elect a Senator! This bill restores responsibility for Senator elections to the Chancery, unless a province asks.

55RZ22 – The Amendment to the Organic Law (Seneschál Election Tweaks) Bill

Vote PËR. This bill allows people other than party leaders to be nominated as Seneschál; and a month of recess (no Clark) after the Seneschál election will now be voluntary rather than compulsory. These tweaks will make Seneschál elections faster and more flexible while preserving the current, successful system.

55RZ23 – The Due Process Reversion Amendment

Vote PËR.
This amendment was actually adopted by the Ziu and in referendum in October 2017! However, due to a miscommunication, when the Organic Law was totally rewritten in 2019, we reverted to the old text. This amendment repairs that error.
#1377
Quote from: xpb on May 02, 2021, 05:02:05 PM
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on May 02, 2021, 03:48:52 PM
Quote from: xpb on May 02, 2021, 01:46:34 PM
a pairing of Monarch and Realm, as the KINGDOM of Talossa,

... from which this party leader was trying to secede from a few weeks ago? 

I don't recall that statement, can you direct me to where it appears?

Come off it, va ciovec, your secessionism was so obvious that the Regent himself - with your King assenting - stepped in to tell you to cut it out :D

There's certainly an argument to be made that the monarchic principle is more important than Talossa itself as a country - but be honest that you're making it.

QuoteThe King has always the perogative to conduct his affairs as he chooses.

I admire your commitment to the dominance/submsision lifestyle, but keep it between consenting partners, of which I am not one.
#1378
The Free Democrats in this election seek 101+ seats for ourselves, and 134+ seats for MCs who support the Historic Compromise. That said, even if the constitutional issue is lost, the FreeDems are:


I must admit, it would be annoying and frustrating to have to help run another Government if the Historic Compromise were to be rejected. But *sigh* the things we do for patriotism...
#1379
You would assume that the NPW will be on the ballot, considering they're having a recruitment thread and everything
#1380
Quote from: xpb on May 02, 2021, 01:46:34 PM
a pairing of Monarch and Realm, as the KINGDOM of Talossa,

... from which this party leader was trying to secede from a few weeks ago?

QuoteBalançeu supports the historic stance of the periodically elected Ziu, operating within the benevolence of the Monarch,

*giggle* Yeah, we've all felt the benevolence over the last six months.