Can I ask if there is a seconder for this motion to be discussed here in this convention?

Otherwise I will suggest it be tabled until the vote on the merger is held.

I am thinking that I will allow 24 hours of discussion on this, and after that, we will move directly to the merger vote.

Quote from: mpf on July 09, 2025, 06:30:44 AMI personally think that Senats candidates should be selected as follows, if there is more than one candidate:

50% of the vote is by members of the party within the province, and 50% of the vote is from members outside of the province.

Senators represent a province, sure, but they are also important safeguards for the Cosa.

Let's say that there are 3 members of the party in the province, and two of them are in a sort of fringe sub-branch. They propose one of them, while the party backs another.

They would get 2/3 in the province, which is 67%, but the rest of the party all vote for the other member (who has 1/3).

2/3 + 0   = 33.5% of the total vote
1/3 + 100 = 66.5% of the total vote.

The province still has a say, they are 50% of the vote, but that way, the party can make sure that the backed senate candidates trully represent the party.

Quote from: Iason Taiwos on July 16, 2025, 04:01:38 PMI'm wondering if Talossa should join the Antarctic Micronational Union, and press our claims.

What does @Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir at Foreign Affairs think about this?

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, O.Be on July 15, 2025, 06:42:09 PMwe've also seen multiple citizens from the "uptick" during the 58th Cosa already lapse out

The thing about the "uptick" during the 58th Cosa was that most of those people joined the Government party straight out of the immigration queue, something which attracted comment at the time.

King Robert I always used to say that joining his Progressive Conservative Party proved that new citizens were ready to participate fully in mainstream Talossan society. Obviously that's authoritarian partisan nonsense, but maybe the current Government parties are just not enthusiastic enough about getting new citizens signed up to vote for us.

Quote from: Iason Taiwos on July 15, 2025, 06:21:04 PMThe official Talossan website should have a store.

Excellent point, the Government is *trying* to get Talossaware back underway. That's something for @Mic'haglh Autófil, O.Be and his deputy minister @Barclamïu da Miéletz to follow up.

A lot of this discussion is sadly irrelevant to the point that we all know cool miéida that could be happening, but it's not happening because apart from a tiny, tiny minority, no-one wants to do any hutschind work around here. We have elections where the opposition yells "why isn't the government doing cool stuff?", the government says "we can't find anyone with the time and energy', they lose the election, then the new government doesn't have anyone with the time or energy either. Plenty of time and energy for fighting elections though, lol.

*cough* anyway...

Quote from: Iason Taiwos on July 15, 2025, 06:21:04 PMWe need more original Talossan language works, or translations, anything.

Have you given AD's Teach Yourself Talossan lessons a go? Be the change you want to see in the world

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on July 15, 2025, 06:31:58 PMA lot of info on Talossa is decades if not more out of date, to the point where some in the micronational community still believed (until *I* corrected them) that Talossa was split into a Kingdom and Republic. I don't know how this keeps happening.

That's a consequence of decades of self-imposed isolation, which the King and the Foreign Ministry is doing its best to roll back.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 15, 2025, 06:02:54 PMI would like to reiterate that I think this debate isn't helpful.  I know that Dama Miestra, Pol, and Antaglha want to circle the wagons and defend the Government, but this is a thread about a bipartisan royal commission.

I wasn't actually going to intervene myself, since personalised attacks on me inevitably derail every discussion, but I am very happy to see my Cabinet ministers do so. The King is to be commended that his commission has sparked contributions from those who have previously felt shy about giving their viewpoints. It is working as intended. More formal discussions can go on within the Commission, in parallel.

I fear that the Conservative Alliance entered this debate under the delusion that they were going to criticise everyone else, and nobody was going to criticise them.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 15, 2025, 05:20:06 PMIf the house is on fire, you will find that the firefighters object to spraying it with gasoline

You don't *really* think that changing the election of Senators from provincial to at-large is burning the house down. I'd prefer you quit it with the overheated (see what I did there?) rhetoric.

Quote from: Sir Ian Plätschisch on July 15, 2025, 09:28:56 AMdude

this is unhinged

Clearly we're not ostracizing this guy hard enough.

I must say I don't think it's helpful for calls for "a top-to-bottom review of immigration" to come from Talossa's conservative party; the party which objects strongly every time the Government tries any fundamental reforms.

@mpf would you like to introduce this proposed amendment now? Or introduce it to the merger convention? I would suggest the latter, because if we amend the provisional Constitution now, the PdR will have to make the same amendment, which may get annoying

Quote from: mpf on July 09, 2025, 06:30:44 AMI personally think that Senats candidates should be selected as follows, if there is more than one candidate:

50% of the vote is by members of the party within the province, and 50% of the vote is from members outside of the province.

Senators represent a province, sure, but they are also important safeguards for the Cosa.

Let's say that there are 3 members of the party in the province, and two of them are in a sort of fringe sub-branch. They propose one of them, while the party backs another.

They would get 2/3 in the province, which is 67%, but the rest of the party all vote for the other member (who has 1/3).

2/3 + 0   = 33.5% of the total vote
1/3 + 100 = 66.5% of the total vote.

The province still has a say, they are 50% of the vote, but that way, the party can make sure that the backed senate candidates trully represent the party.

Grült méirci, estimat Secretár.

¡Estimadas es estimats Democrätsen Livereschti!

As Party President, I am laying a single item on the agenda for this Party Convention: the following motion.

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• That this Convention of the Free Democrats of Talossa hereby endorses the formation of a new party, provisionally named l'Uniun dels Reformistaes Livereschti (URL) whose membership shall be that of the Free Democrats combined with the membership of el Partì da Reformaziun (PdR).
• That the provisional Constitution of the URL shall be as provided in this text, with the provision that this text may be amended by the first Convention of the URL.
• That upon passage of this motion, and upon passage of an equivalent motion by the PdR Convention, the Free Democrats of Talossa shall cease to exist; this convention shall be adjourned and instantly reconvene as the first Convention of the URL, with the addition of all PdR members. Miestra Schiva will be provisional chair of this Convention.
• That the first Convention of the URL, in addition to the other tasks mandated by the provisional Constitution, shall adopt a political Program for the new party.

Under Constitution article V, this will require affirmative support of two-thirds of those voting.

There is no firm deadline for this debate/vote, given that the PdR will have their schedule too and there's no point going too far in advance of them, and given that this is pretty irrevocable and I want everyone who wants to to have their say.

Once I call a vote, again under Constitution V, you will have three days / 72 hours.

Questions? Comments? Suggested amendments? Alternative motions?

Quote from: Blahaj on July 14, 2025, 05:51:08 PMThe idea behind it is that it represents a "new solace" for people who's governments don't have their best interests in mind.

No, *your* name :D

After a lot of deliberation, the Ministry of Immigration has decided reluctantly to accept @Iac Éovard Valadeir 's resignation as Deputy Minister in charge of greeting new prospectives.

But it gives us great pleasure to announce that @Barclamïu da Miéletz will be taking over that role, leaving his current role as Deputy Culture.

Questions? Comments?

Your name sounds like there's a story behind it...

Quote from: mpf on July 09, 2025, 06:30:44 AMI personally think that Senats candidates should be selected as follows, if there is more than one candidate:

50% of the vote is by members of the party within the province, and 50% of the vote is from members outside of the province.

Senators represent a province, sure, but they are also important safeguards for the Cosa.

Let's say that there are 3 members of the party in the province, and two of them are in a sort of fringe sub-branch. They propose one of them, while the party backs another.

They would get 2/3 in the province, which is 67%, but the rest of the party all vote for the other member (who has 1/3).

2/3 + 0   = 33.5% of the total vote
1/3 + 100 = 66.5% of the total vote.

The province still has a say, they are 50% of the vote, but that way, the party can make sure that the backed senate candidates trully represent the party.

Are you interested in presenting this as an amendment before we adopt the merger constitution? Because if so, the PdR convention will have to adopt it as well. Or: we could adopt the constitution as is and you could propose the amendment to the new party's convention.

BTW, name changed to adopt proper Talossan translation