@mpf would you like to introduce this proposed amendment now? Or introduce it to the merger convention? I would suggest the latter, because if we amend the provisional Constitution now, the PdR will have to make the same amendment, which may get annoying

Quote from: mpf on July 09, 2025, 06:30:44 AMI personally think that Senats candidates should be selected as follows, if there is more than one candidate:

50% of the vote is by members of the party within the province, and 50% of the vote is from members outside of the province.

Senators represent a province, sure, but they are also important safeguards for the Cosa.

Let's say that there are 3 members of the party in the province, and two of them are in a sort of fringe sub-branch. They propose one of them, while the party backs another.

They would get 2/3 in the province, which is 67%, but the rest of the party all vote for the other member (who has 1/3).

2/3 + 0   = 33.5% of the total vote
1/3 + 100 = 66.5% of the total vote.

The province still has a say, they are 50% of the vote, but that way, the party can make sure that the backed senate candidates trully represent the party.

Grült méirci, estimat Secretár.

¡Estimadas es estimats Democrätsen Livereschti!

As Party President, I am laying a single item on the agenda for this Party Convention: the following motion.

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• That this Convention of the Free Democrats of Talossa hereby endorses the formation of a new party, provisionally named l'Uniun dels Reformistaes Livereschti (URL) whose membership shall be that of the Free Democrats combined with the membership of el Partì da Reformaziun (PdR).
• That the provisional Constitution of the URL shall be as provided in this text, with the provision that this text may be amended by the first Convention of the URL.
• That upon passage of this motion, and upon passage of an equivalent motion by the PdR Convention, the Free Democrats of Talossa shall cease to exist; this convention shall be adjourned and instantly reconvene as the first Convention of the URL, with the addition of all PdR members. Miestra Schiva will be provisional chair of this Convention.
• That the first Convention of the URL, in addition to the other tasks mandated by the provisional Constitution, shall adopt a political Program for the new party.

Under Constitution article V, this will require affirmative support of two-thirds of those voting.

There is no firm deadline for this debate/vote, given that the PdR will have their schedule too and there's no point going too far in advance of them, and given that this is pretty irrevocable and I want everyone who wants to to have their say.

Once I call a vote, again under Constitution V, you will have three days / 72 hours.

Questions? Comments? Suggested amendments? Alternative motions?

Quote from: Blahaj on Yesterday at 05:51:08 PMThe idea behind it is that it represents a "new solace" for people who's governments don't have their best interests in mind.

No, *your* name :D

After a lot of deliberation, the Ministry of Immigration has decided reluctantly to accept @Iac Éovard Valadeir 's resignation as Deputy Minister in charge of greeting new prospectives.

But it gives us great pleasure to announce that @Barclamïu da Miéletz will be taking over that role, leaving his current role as Deputy Culture.

Questions? Comments?

Your name sounds like there's a story behind it...

Quote from: mpf on July 09, 2025, 06:30:44 AMI personally think that Senats candidates should be selected as follows, if there is more than one candidate:

50% of the vote is by members of the party within the province, and 50% of the vote is from members outside of the province.

Senators represent a province, sure, but they are also important safeguards for the Cosa.

Let's say that there are 3 members of the party in the province, and two of them are in a sort of fringe sub-branch. They propose one of them, while the party backs another.

They would get 2/3 in the province, which is 67%, but the rest of the party all vote for the other member (who has 1/3).

2/3 + 0   = 33.5% of the total vote
1/3 + 100 = 66.5% of the total vote.

The province still has a say, they are 50% of the vote, but that way, the party can make sure that the backed senate candidates trully represent the party.

Are you interested in presenting this as an amendment before we adopt the merger constitution? Because if so, the PdR convention will have to adopt it as well. Or: we could adopt the constitution as is and you could propose the amendment to the new party's convention.

BTW, name changed to adopt proper Talossan translation

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 09, 2025, 06:48:38 PMDoesn't the MinImm have a pretty free hand to discontinue applications (Lexh.E.5)?

Let me get this straight. You would support me just deep-sixing a prospective citizen on my own initiative; but you're allergic to the idea of pre-screening immigration applications.

I am open to making amendments to this before Clarking if someone else can provide better ways to eliminate prospectives' use of LLMs. It doesn't have to be on the immigration form but we have to have a law that says: "sorry, speak in your own voice, using Google Translate where necessary, don't get a robot to speak for you"

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on July 09, 2025, 11:26:44 AMWhat are you talking about?

Any immigration procedure that doesn't *exclude* the use of ChatGPT (not necessarily before application, but definitely before citizenship) is going to lead to things like this.

I mean, there's a difference with a citizen or a prospective using Google Translate; it might sound a bit "fake" but there's a real person behind it.

I still insist on my (mis)use of the Greek term National Schism to describe the era of the separate existence of the Republic.

@Xheralt Del'Encradeir's categorization of Sir Tamorán dal Nava as a "jock" strikes me as weird. He's just as nerdy as the rest of us. But he's also very combative (or was so), and during the period when he was Seneschál and I was a leading figure in Penguinea we absolutely despised each other. Then, during the Republican era, we became very close political allies, and I keep trying to persuade him to become active again. I've found that that happens to me again and again in Talossa - my closest political allies seem to be my firm political opponents of 5 years ago. I like to think of that as the Hegelian dialectic.

Also of historical interest to Xheralt might be this - entent2.pdf - a newssheet which was my attempt (in my usual overheated style of the time) to intervene in the post-Ben Kingdom. I beg Xheralt's forgiveness for the personalised tone. What we were aiming for above all was to try to counter Ben's lies and propaganda, to reach out to whichever Kingdom citizens might be prepared to treat us fairly, to repair the National Schism. Sadly, that door closed when John Woolley became King and didn't open up again for 5 years or so.

No comments? No alternative suggestions? No edits? We're 6 days out from voting on this

Estimat Túischac'h, in accordance with the 61st Cosa Budget, I would like to give two weeks notice to the Burgermeister of Internal Revenue to disburse $US75 to Baron A. Davinescu for provision of three Talossan-language lessons.

Senator Carbonel actually wrote to me to ask me about the facts of the case a few months ago, so it's not as if he's unwillingly ignorant

It's just that AD seems to be complaining about the Immigration form at the same time he is voting against an actual Government proposal to simplify that form.

Estimat Tuischac'h, my Ministry has authorised the release of $US75 to Baron A. Davinescù for the provision of three more Teach Yourself Talossan lessons.