@xpb @Miestră Schivă, UrN

Would you both be agreeable to this?

Quote7.3. Talossan citizens may transfer their provincial citizenship to a different province, either by physically moving into that province or into the zone corresponding to that province, or by providing bona fides (determined by the Ministry of Immigration) as to the following:
a) A citizen was born on the territory of the relevant province;
b) A parent or guardian of the citizen was born on the territory of the relevant province;

This would lessen the room for an ancestral claim to self or parents.

Quote from: Üc R. Tärfâ on March 21, 2023, 06:21:21 PMEstimat Túischac'h,

I would like to give to the Seneschal an example of an answer that I would have WANTED to have  "no I don't think it would have been better because I don't think it would have changed anything in practical terms". This is an answer.

I'm glad he has now found again his ability to articulate words!

Point of order S:reu Túischac'h
@luc-troubleshooting.

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on March 21, 2023, 06:02:15 PMI thank the MC for understanding that his effort to get the answer he WANTED would continue to frustrate him no matter how many times he reworded the same question. And am happy this unproductive line of questioning has indeed concluded. Until next time, MC.

Is the Seneschal admitting that he deliberately didn't give answers to a Terpelaziun?

Méirci, smestéu el tarleu.

No is an answer. I am saying that my answer would not have changed as you were asking the same question.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on March 21, 2023, 11:41:24 AMI wonder if this should be folded in with Tric'hard's notion of some reporting reform, as well?  Maybe we should aim for another financial reform omnibus, -- seems to be tradition to do one per term.

This is an excellent idea. My bill was just a wording edit in El Lex but if it can become something much more substantial I am supportive.

Quote from: Üc R. Tärfâ on March 21, 2023, 06:00:03 PMEstimat Túischac'h,

I fear it will be hard work to get meaningful answers from the Seneschal if he considers articulating his reasons, explaining why he answered 'no', as speculating on hypotheticals.

I would like to remind el trei-þon. Seneschal that among his duties is to answer Terps, not to decide what he thinks is worth answering or not.

Despite his reticence to respond, however, we learnt something: 48 hours ago the Seneschal said to the Cosă, and I quote, «There is no danger of delay for the financial report». Less than 10 hours ago, on the other hand, his Ministreu dal Finançù said, and I quote, «I am going to separate the financial bill and the budget.  So this bill will just be the budget bill».

I now understand his reticence in answering: he was evidently afraid that his answers might be contradicted by his very own Ministreu! Again!

I now consider this line of Terp concluded: unsatisfied, but concluded.

Méirci, smestéu el tarleu.

I thank the MC for understanding that his effort to get the answer he WANTED would continue to frustrate him no matter how many times he reworded the same question. And am happy this unproductive line of questioning has indeed concluded. Until next time, MC.

Quote from: Üc R. Tärfâ on March 21, 2023, 08:47:38 AMEstimat Túischac'h,

the Seneschal is wrong: I didn't "repeat ad infinitum" the same question, I asked three different questions.

The first time I rose to ask him

Quotedoes the Seneschal agree with me that [...] it would have been better and more logical to ask the outgoing Burgermeister to prepare the Financial Report and only after it had been delivered to appoint a new officer?

To that question he didn't answer.

The second time I rose to ask him

QuoteCan the Seneschal tell us if in his opinion it would have been better and more logical or not to ask the outgoing Burgermeister to prepare the Financial Report and only after it had been delivered, to appoint a new officer?

To that question, he just said "No". Which I believe it means "No, I don't think it would have been better"

The third time I rose to ask him

QuoteCan the Seneschal tell the House on (1) above, why not?

I asked him why he thinks it wouldn't have been better. To that question he said "No". I might not be a native english speaker, but I doubt that "No" is an answer to "why".

So, S:reu Túischac'h, I'll try to reword again the question to the Seneschal because so far I didn't get from him a reply. I hope that this would be my last follow-up question on this Terp line (but not on the matter).

Can the Seneschal explain to this House the reasons why he thinks it wouldn't have been better and more logical to ask the outgoing Burgermeister to prepare the Financial Report and only after it had been delivered, to appoint a new officer?

Méirci, smestéu el tarleu.

Repeating my answer. No, I will not speculate on hypotheticals.

Quote from: Üc R. Tärfâ on March 21, 2023, 04:29:16 AMEstimat Túischac'h,

I'm a bit confused here

Quote from: Üc R. Tärfâ on March 20, 2023, 10:20:29 PMCan the Seneschal tell the House:
On (1) above, why not?

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on March 20, 2023, 10:37:23 PM1. No

Is the Seneschal telling us

- that he will not tell the House «why not?» because he doesn't want to answer the Terpelaziun; or

- that he cannot tell the House «why not?» because he doesn't know the answer himself?

Méirci, smestéu el tarleu.

Neither of these is accurate. I do not speculate on hypotheticals. You are free to repeat your question ad infinitum but my answer will be the same.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on March 21, 2023, 06:43:57 AMOkay, so... we're back!  And to make up for the loss again, we have now included full immigration data from the past three years!  That means that we're pretty much up-to-date on all of this information (as far as it will ever be available).  For ease of future governments, it's been set up to auto-update the charts embedded on the sheets, and adding new information is as simple as pasting in a new row of numbers.

We might go back and add in even further immigration data at some point, or further tweak the way the information is presented.  But maybe you want to do it, fellow Talossans!  If you're good with spreadsheets and have some clever ideas here, please let me know -- I'm sure there's lots to do here that isn't immediately apparent to me!

This is excellent work, Baron. For the second or third (?) time. I'm relieved that we nailed the server outage problem and hopefully this won't need to be repeated again.

Quote from: Üc R. Tärfâ on March 20, 2023, 09:33:41 PMI saw your post on CRL.

I must say that you can't move the bill to Committee until the 23rd.

Plus: I'd suggest to split the second subsection in 2:

8.9.3  No communications containing protected information covered by sections D.8.2, D.8.3, and D.8.4 shall be included in the transmittals.

And that part you should better put it in the FURTHERMORE as section of the Act and not in the Lexhatx:

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BE IT ENACTED by King, Cosa and Sënats in Ziu assembled that:

1. a new subsection is added to El Lexhatx D.8 to read as follows:

Quote8.9 Automated Government Comunication Transmittal

8.9.1 All internal government communications placed or transmitted on Government-owned fora shall be released to the Royal Archives no later than 10 (ten) years after the conclusion of that Government's term of office.

8.9.2  No communications containing protected information covered by El Lexhatx sections D. 8.2, D. 8.3, and D. 8.4 shall be included in the transmittals.

2. the transmittal scheme shall begin with the internal government records of the Tzaracomprada Cabinet (58th Cosa).

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Glad you saw that. Good suggestion on the split. I'll edit my post in the CRL.

Quote from: Üc R. Tärfâ on March 20, 2023, 10:20:29 PMEstimat Túischac'h,

very brief answers from el trei-þon. Seneschal, very brief follow-up questions from me.

Can the Seneschal tell the House:
On (1) above, why not?
On (2) above, if that was his own idea?

Méirci, smestéu el tarleu.

1. No
2. Yes

Whereas, government transparency is important to the maintenance of a relationship of trust, confidence, and respect between the governor and the governed, and

Whereas, this mutual relationship is a vital component for the maintenance of Talossa's free and open society, and

Whereas, the automated transmittal of non-confidential internal government communications to the Royal Archives upholds the current Government's pledge of transparency.

Be it enacted by the King, Cosa and Sënats in Ziu assembled that a new subsection is added to El Lexhatx D.8 to read as follows:

Quote8.9 Automated Governmental Information Transmittal

8.9.1 All internal government communications on Government-owned fora shall be transmitted to the Royal Archives as soon as feasibly possible after the conclusion of that Government's term of office.

8.9.2 These transmittals shall be released to the public by the Royal Archives seven (7) years after the conclusion of that Government's term of office.

8.9.3 No communications containing protected information covered by El Lexhatx sections D. 8.2, D. 8.3, and D. 8.4 shall be included in the transmittals.

Furthermore,

The transmittal scheme shall begin with the internal government records of the Tzaracomprada Cabinet (58th Cosa).

Uréu q'estadra så:
Breneir Tzaracomprada (Seneschal)

Quote from: Üc R. Tärfâ on March 20, 2023, 04:19:37 PMEstimat Túischac'h,

I'll thank el trei-þon. Seneschal, but I cannot declare myself satisfied with his answer. In my second question, I was asking whether it would have been better and more logical to ask the outgoing Burgermeister to prepare the Financial Report and only after it had been delivered to appoint a new officer and not if he authorized and supported el Ministreu dal Finançù.

In light of this, S:reu Túischac'h, I would like to add follow-up questions:

1) Can the Seneschal tell us if in his opinion it would have been better and more logical or not to ask the outgoing Burgermeister to prepare the Financial Report and only after it had been delivered, to appoint a new officer?

2) As the Seneschal just said « I authorized and supported the Ministreu dal Finançù's moving as quickly as possible», can he therefore confirm to this House that was the Ministreu dal Finançù's idea to proceed immediately with the appointment of the new Burgermeister?

Méirci, smestéu el tarleu.

The answer to both questions is No.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on March 20, 2023, 04:13:47 PMBrenéir, we had a PM conversation a while ago, do you remember? I tried to explain to you - in frank and unemotional language - exactly why there is such massive animus towards your Distain on our side of politics, and why trying to parachute that person into the Monarchy would be a disaster for the Kingdom. Now it appears that you simply didn't believe me, and want to try it out to see if we mean it.

I simply ask who these people are, Miestra. You said "mass renunciation."

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on March 20, 2023, 04:09:24 PMYou see the issue in the above two posts. The Baron says that he can't understand why anyone would think he's already lined up for Dear Successor. The Seneschal admits that that's the plan, and that anyone who doesn't like it can get lost.

No, I noted your threat of "mass renunciations" and asked who was a part of this mass, Miestra. Which you appear hesitant to describe. You have made a representation and I am curious who these potential rage-quitters are.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on March 20, 2023, 04:04:32 PM

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on March 20, 2023, 03:58:06 PM

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on March 20, 2023, 03:42:35 PMNo, no, and no.

If the King is allowed to nominate his own replacement, we all know who he will nominate.

He will nominate the same person who he nominated as Regent when he "ragequit" last time.

And that is simply unacceptable, and would lead to mass renunciations.

Fascinating.
Who would renounce in an actual "ragequit" rather than a theorized one?

Preserving this against the inevitable deletion, once the Seneschal realises he just said "WELL GET OUT THEN, THERE'S THE DOOR" to a large proportion of the nation.

And it is also saved for the next time you make this threat, Miestra.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on March 20, 2023, 03:52:33 PMI think we spent years trying the strategy of not really using our social media very much, and I don't think it was very helpful.

But okay. You speak for the whole club?

She doesn't speak for me and I'm actually a member.