Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on September 22, 2020, 05:24:09 PM

Quote from: Glüc da Dhi S.H. on September 22, 2020, 05:09:37 PM
Benedict Stamford was an idiot and a charicature. I don't think people took him seriously at all.

I hate to break it to you, but being abused and insulted by an idiot and a caricature happens to me quite often in Talossa and in other places, and it still hurts, badly. Just making sure that - even in your version of history where ESB was mainly motivated to help my party win - you don't think I was "in on it", or approved of it.

Oh, I absolutely dont think you approved or were in on it or anything. In the end, the betrayal probably hurt you, the ZRT, and the NPW more than anyone. Apologies if I suggested otherwise.

I also can fully understand youd be upset at Benedicts attacks on you, even if he was an idiot. Even worse, there were probably some real people who are also idiots that agreed with him (though Im pretty sure there were also many in the RUMP who were embarrassed to have him).

Either way, my guess is it wasn't as much support for the ZRT as dislike for the RUMP, especially since the support later moved to the NPW, which got a pretty big boost in the witt polls I was doing.

A lot of it also probably was just trolling.

Regardless, ascribing any of these actions to some push for stricter immigration laws that he never supported otherwise seems completely unbelievable to me.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on September 22, 2020, 05:03:40 PM

Quote from: Glüc da Dhi S.H. on September 22, 2020, 04:59:12 PM
he did use his sockpuppets to vote, engage in political arguments, attack political opponents and in one case pretend to support a party he didnt like in a way that made the sockpuppet (and thus the party) look like a complete tool.

Perhaps its true he was just trying to see how much he could get away with. I think its very likely he was also motivated by partisan interest.

This is a tendentious rewriting of history. ESB's sock puppets - inc. Benedict Stamford - personally attacked me in a way that makes AD's sniping look like friendly banter. A strange way to go about it if he wanted to help the ZRT win.

Benedict Stamford was an idiot and a charicature. I don't think people took him seriously at all. Certainly he caused me to see the RUMP more negatively. I'm pretty sure he hurt the RUMP more than he helped. The others were a lot more subtle.

QuoteOf course most of the socks voted ZRT, but that surely comes under "supporting a party in such a way that made the party look like a complete tool", as you say.

Only because they got caught.

Can't say I'm a big fan of anarchism or overthrowing legitimate democratic systems of government.

Also, to say our current monarchy is tyranny seems very much confused both about our constitutional monarchy and about actual tyranny in the world.

That said, people are absolutely entitled to be wrong. Rejecting a prospective because of some ideas we may or may not like seems unnecessary, unless they clearly actually intend to break the law.

Also, I agree with Eovart that the evasiveness is probably at least partly tongue in cheek and also the means for actual violence in Talossa are very limited. Either way I'm not particularly scared.

 :'( This is just devastating news.

Quoting from another thread, because that one became a bit messy.

Quote from: DNVercaria on September 17, 2020, 05:25:45 PM
Maybe nasty arguments could simply be drowned in a multitude of fun topics, for instance by reducing the number of subforums of subforums.  The more every particular whimsy talk has to be taken to its own rarely frequented niche, the longer it takes to find all the pearls of the everyday talk of Talossans, and the more the heart of Wittenberg is just looking like a dry boring desert where nothing interesting is ever happening unless a wild uncontrolable argument is exploding like a shell.

Good point.

I've always sort of assumed that by putting too much stuff in the main forum people, especially new/prospective citizens, would just get lost in all the threads and that dividing up the forum helps direct people to the stuff they find interesting. Of course it's possible to overdo it. For example, I still don't really see the need for a separate armed forces board.

This post made me wonder if that whole idea was wrong though. Maybe if the main board is only used for boring administrative and controversial political stuff rather than special interests and projects people are not confronted with the fun stuff.

I'd be very interested to hear especially what newer and prospective citizens think of this...

Also, I forgot Miestra's thunderdome suggestion was that old. I thought the idea originated much later.

Disclaimer: Sondra Lomaira and Sarac'h Txilvertescu both later turned out to be ESB sockpuppets, which puts the things they are saying in a rather different perspective

Reading through old threads is something that all Talossans should do frequently (although please avoid the many threads where I say stupid things I now regret).

https://talossa.proboards.com/thread/7972/petition-happier-kingdom

To clarify: I'm not endorsing the original post.  I think political attacks are part of a democracy, and are fine, as long as people play the ball and not the person. I just think the thread is a very interesting read, for various reasons.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on September 17, 2020, 12:29:12 AM
So if no-one has any objections, the Government is seriously considering making the current version of the project Required Reading for all new citizens. Thoughts?

I feel the current version is still pretty one-sided, especially post-2005

Quote from: Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on September 12, 2020, 11:54:03 PM
If you have any questions about anything and want to ask someone with a lot of info, a good memory, a level head, and no partisan affiliations, I recommend Gluc da Dhi, who posted earlier.  He's pretty universally respected and just stepped down from arguably the most important job in the country (Secretary of State).

Eeh, thanks, but I'm not without political biases myself, even if I'm not affiliated with any party. These probably will show more too, now that I'm no longer SoS.

(Not trying to discourage anyone from asking questions obviously, just a disclaimer...)

Present

- Private Glüc da Dhi

Also, we're looking for one more person to make a 10+ question kahoot for our quiznight (+tmt20 broadcast) saturday!

https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=466.0

Fwiw, we do have a non-partisan, non-political, cultural event going on, which has now become a tradition that has lasted for 11 years and now almost 9 editions.

It happens to involve two things that imho are most enjoyable: listening to music and making lists. I'll admit that not everyone might get as excited about these things, but for those that are:

https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=381.msg3485#new

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Quote from: GV on September 12, 2020, 05:47:10 PM
More than any other political party in the past five-to-ten years, the Free Democrats are actually doing something.  We have revolutionized governance and put into action an agenda for the future.  For more information: https://freedemstalossa.wordpress.com/

That's mostly just empty phrasing. Last ten years? I doubt it. A lot of things happened 5-10 years ago, the creation of the wiki, creation of Talossa.com codifying of our law. More recently? Probably true, but then there aren't many large or active parties left these days.

True, a lot of energy has been spent on legislation and institutional reforms, but how much of that has translated into actual activity? (Other than the efforts made to implement it all, often by people outside the FreeDems, and to fix the various holes and problems already arising from flawed bills that were passed with not enough discussion).

Edit: forgot to add the word now in bold, which changes the meaning...