Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on June 03, 2022, 08:06:39 AM

Quote from: Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on June 01, 2022, 07:00:01 PM
So once again I ask, what more could we have done?

Well, asking more than once would have been a good start.

Why do you keep saying this when it has been pointed out to you over and over that it isn't true? I found the following four quotes in less than 15 minutes of searching for them (edited for brevity):

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on April 03, 2022, 03:25:16 PM
Monarchy reform is possible if the TNC and FreeDems agree on one. The ball is therefore now in the TNC court.
It should be abundantly clear what I expect to happen from here: that no proposal will come, because the TNC is almost entirely composed of conservative monarchists who will never support any monarchy reform ever ever ever, and the TNC's 50 word statement was disingenuous. But I allow for the possibility of pleasant surprise.

Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on March 16, 2022, 09:59:03 PM

The TNC's 50-word statement claims that they want to "work with King John to implement monarchical reform." I don't see how they can claim this with a straight face:

• S:reu Breneir Tzaracomprada entered the last government promising to support monarchical reform, then promptly reversed himself and offered no explanation
• Sir Alexandreu Davinescu has opposed pretty much all monarchical reform in the past seven years
• King John has vetoed pretty much all monarchical reform in the past seven years

So what reform do they want, exactly?[/b]

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on April 02, 2022, 09:36:20 PM
The point of resubmitting the bill is precisely to force the TNC to vote against it - to show, in action, what their actions in the last Cosă also showed, that they don't really mean it about monarchy reform.

Some may have forgotten that the Senator from Florencia ran in the previous election explicitly in support of this kind of compromise - then did a 180-degree-turn for reasons that he has never explained, except with personal abuse. It's best for that to be kept in people's minds.

Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on April 02, 2022, 08:44:43 PM

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on April 02, 2022, 06:58:57 PM
Not a good sign here. Voters sent a message for change and the first thing the potential next government proposes is a twice-failed bill and that is now even more sure of failure a third time.

Huh?

The bill is not twice-failed, it is once-vetoed. Also, given that the TNC actually put Monarchy reform in their 50-word statement, your voters might now want to know what you have in mind. If the current proposal is not to your liking, you can vote it down and propose something else.

I also sent the TNC leader a private message asking him his stance on Monarchy reform, which was ignored (even though I know he saw it).

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on June 01, 2022, 10:32:22 PM

Quote from: Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on June 01, 2022, 08:39:27 PM
however, this was the last option we had to seek clarity from yourselves.

Really?  Because I think "doing literally anything beyond asking once where no one saw it" might have also been an option.

It seems kind of silly to me to claim that the Government was left with no choice.  I admire the simplicity of the two-step process, though:

   
• Ask about something once.
• Escalate immediately to demanding an answer on your own terms by way of threatening to block all legislation, no matter the topic or need, indefinitely, unless your demands are met.

We asked about it several times.

I'm happy to announce the return of the wildly popular


The rules are simple. Every time you make 20 updates to wiki.talossa.com, I will issue a Prime Dictate to commemorate a Day of Observance of your choosing, and I will post of picture of myself celebrating it.

Get editing,
Ian Plätschisch
Seneschal

In my humble opinion this is exactly the kind of bureaucracy we are trying to get rid of.

I'd like to submit the Seneschal Selection and Reselection Amendment

Mr. Túischac'h:

We have been considering replacements for quite a while, but unfortunately no one who we have offered the position to so far has been available.

Mr. Túischac'h,

The current, rather informal, method for assigning TalossAssistants is for me to reach out individually to potential TalossAssistants whenever we have a prospective who has posted a few times and looks at least somewhat likely to make it to citizenship. Unfortunately there is not the personnel right now to do anything more official.

I would like to thank the Honourable questioner for his frequent conversations with prospectives. I will add that I reached out to him to ask whether he would be interested in heading up the TalossAssistant program, but I did not get a response.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on June 01, 2022, 08:36:20 PM

Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on June 01, 2022, 08:11:41 PM

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on June 01, 2022, 07:27:33 PM

Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on May 31, 2022, 09:18:51 PM

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on May 31, 2022, 01:05:23 PM
That seems like a willful misinterpretation of a fairly clear statement from Breneir:  There will be no cooperation with the FreeDems or the PdR on this issue under duress.  You can save yourself the time and trouble of writing any threatening speeches, since the answer will always be a clear "no."  I support Breneir on this 100%: if we reward a tantrum like this now -- before the first Clark! -- then you'll be back with a different threat next week: "Support our next bill or we'll vote down all of yours, regardless of merit."

All we are doing here is pressing you to fulfill your own campaign promise. You can end this immediately without giving anything up; this is what you said you wanted!

This will only continue for as long as you persist in your dishonesty. It's becoming increasingly clear that the TNC's desire for monarchy reform was a lark. If that's true, just admit it and we can get on with our lives.

The words below still express the resolve of TNC members:
There will be no cooperation with the FreeDems or the PdR on this issue under duress.

There was no cooperation with the FreeDems on this issue not under duress either.

Also, the TNC isn't exactly covering itself in glory by acting like it is under "duress." We are asking that you take five minutes to do something that you are already under an obligation to your voters to do. The TNC is facing not a whiff of adversity.

I would firmly agree that the threat of voting against all legislation, no matter the merit, indefinitely, is also indeed an overreaction completely incommensurate with the situation. Doing something like "possibly posting more than once about it" before escalating to this absurdity would definitely have made more sense. But you have made your bed and now you have to lie in it.

I know that we in fact posed the Monarchy question to the TNC several times.

The TNC's behavior reminds me of this XKCD comic:

The reasonable response to someone telling you do something which you are already under an obligation to do is to do the thing, not moan and groan.

You keep saying that if you reveal your plans for Monarchy reform now, we will just come back with more demands later. However, this is clearly ridiculous. The TNC does not have to compromise one inch of their platform (as I keep saying, the TNC has already promised their voters they would do what we are demanding), nor spend more than five minutes on this. The logical connection between the current situation and the sorts of future demands you are expecting is non-existant.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on June 01, 2022, 08:23:25 AM
Yeah, making hostile demands and threats can mess up even a good working environment.

Take five minutes to do something you've already pledged to do. You are making a mountain out a molehill.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on June 01, 2022, 01:00:50 AM
I don't believe there is a list of things in the US Constitution that the Congress is only allowed to legislate on - only a list of things it can't legislate on. This list in the Talossan constitution was copied from the Australian (or perhaps Canadian) constitution, which are federal systems and was meant to reserve certain issues to the provinces/state. It makes no sense in Talossa.

Article I, Section 8:

QuoteThe Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on June 01, 2022, 07:27:33 PM

Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on May 31, 2022, 09:18:51 PM

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on May 31, 2022, 01:05:23 PM
That seems like a willful misinterpretation of a fairly clear statement from Breneir:  There will be no cooperation with the FreeDems or the PdR on this issue under duress.  You can save yourself the time and trouble of writing any threatening speeches, since the answer will always be a clear "no."  I support Breneir on this 100%: if we reward a tantrum like this now -- before the first Clark! -- then you'll be back with a different threat next week: "Support our next bill or we'll vote down all of yours, regardless of merit."

All we are doing here is pressing you to fulfill your own campaign promise. You can end this immediately without giving anything up; this is what you said you wanted!

This will only continue for as long as you persist in your dishonesty. It's becoming increasingly clear that the TNC's desire for monarchy reform was a lark. If that's true, just admit it and we can get on with our lives.

The words below still express the resolve of TNC members:
There will be no cooperation with the FreeDems or the PdR on this issue under duress.

There was no cooperation with the FreeDems on this issue not under duress either.

Also, the TNC isn't exactly covering itself in glory by acting like it is under "duress." We are asking that you take five minutes to do something that you are already under an obligation to your voters to do. The TNC is facing not a whiff of adversity.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on June 01, 2022, 11:18:46 AMbut he's become more and more active lately. 

It is really saying something that not posting anything for over a month is your definition of "more and more active lately"

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on June 01, 2022, 11:00:30 AM
Is this the inactivity you are talking about?

Quote from: King John on April 20, 2022, 05:10:13 PM
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This is one of the best self-owns I have seen in a while

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on June 01, 2022, 05:00:59 AM

Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on May 31, 2022, 09:23:48 PM
The FreeDems will be happy to work with you on this just as soon as the TNC fulfills its campaign promise to their voters the TNC submits to our threats and helps us achieve what voters did not give us a mandate to achieve at the ballot box!

Fixed it for you.

If you consider the fact that the TNC also promised monarchy reform, there is actually a huge mandate for it.

The FreeDems will be happy to work with you on this just as soon as the TNC fulfills its campaign promise to their voters.