2022 Talossan Music Top 20 [Results]

[Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be]

GROUP 9
4 pts: Beatles - Eleanor Rigby
3 pts: Bon Jovi - Wanted Dead or Alive
2 pts: Eagles - Lyin' Eyes
1 pt: Bob Segar - Old Time Rock and Roll

GROUP 10
4 pts: The Who - Baba O'Riley
3 pts: Men without Hats - Safety Dance
2 pts: Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young - Ohio
1 pt: Ennio Morricone - Man with a Harmonica

[Sir Lüc]

GROUP 9
4 - Grimethorpe Colliery Band - Adagio (Concierto De Aranjuez)
3 - Paul McCartney and Eric Clapton - While My Guitar Gently Weeps
2 - Beatles - Eleanor Rigby
1 - Radiohead - Street Spirit (Fade Out)

GROUP 10 - Very very tough choice. 7/10 songs are easily worth points to me.
4 - Ennio Morricone - Man with a Harmonica
3 - Fleetwood Mac - The Chain
2 - Gorillaz - Clint Eastwood
1 - The Who - Baba O'Riley

[Sir Ian Plätschisch]

GROUP 9
1. Lyin' Eyes - 12
2. While My Guitar Gently Weeps - 11
3. Eleanor Rigby - 9 (one 4-point vote)
4. Wanted Dead Or Alive - 9 (no 4-point votes)
5. I'm Shipping Up To Boston - 8
6. Adagio (Concierto De Aranjuez) - 7 (one 3-point vote)
7. Old Time Rock and Roll - 7 (no 3-point votes)
8. Rum Runners - 6 (one 2-point vote)
9. Street Spirit (Fade Out) - 6 (no 2-point votes)
10. Run Away - 5

GROUP 10
1. The Chain - 21
2. Baba O'Riley - 18
3. Man with a Harmonica - 6 (one 4-point vote)
4. Ohio - 6 (no 4-point votes, R1 PPV = 0.90)
5. Clint Eastwood - 6 (no 4-point votes, R1 PPV = 0.70)
6. Seven Nights in Eire - 5 (one 4-point vote)
7. Killer Queen - 5 (no 4-point votes, one 3-point vote)
8. Rearviewmirror - 5 (no 4-point votes, no 3-point votes)
9. The Universal - 4 (one 4-point vote)
10. Safety Dance - 4 (no 4-point votes)

Only two songs in Groups 1-9 got at least 2 PPV; The Chain and Baba O'Riley both did in Group 10 (even though the group was generally regarded as quite strong).

[Sir Ian Plätschisch]

Round 3 coming tomorrow.

[Glüc]

Not 100% sure, but it feels like 21 points may be a record in absolute points (outside finals obv). Other than that a slightly disappointing result, but Im glad to see this much consistent participation.

[Sir Ian Plätschisch]

Of the 50 songs advancing to round 3:
-13 (of 20 starting in this year's contest) were in the Top 20 last year
-3 (of 5) were eliminated in R4 last year
-18 (of 25) were eliminated in R3 last year
-13 (of 50) were eliminated in R2 last year
-3 (of 48) are new this year

Compared to last year, new songs are doing much worse (9 new songs made it to round 3 last year).

On a somewhat related note, I have a theory about why newer music tends not to do well in the TMT20. I don't think it's because many of us individually don't like new music, but because we all like different new music. In contrast, I think most of us like the same old music, so the old music is the only music ever popular enough to make the final.

[Sir Ian Plätschisch]

TOP ROUND 2 SONGS BY PPV
1. The Chain - 2.63
2. Sultans Of Swing - 2.29
3. Baba O'Riley - 2.25
4. September - 2.00
5. Bohemian Rhapsody - 1.88
6. Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This) - 1.86
6. Starman - 1.86
8. Crazy Train - 1.75
8. The Devil Went Down to Georgia - 1.75
10. Brandy (You're a Fine Girl) - 1.71
10. Africa - 1.71
10. Message in a Bottle - 1.71

Bolded songs were Top 20 last year. None of these are new nominations; Blue Monday led the new nominations with 1.14 PPV

[Sir Ian Plätschisch]

The Chain and Sultans of Swing took the top two spots in last year's final (although with Sultans of Swing on top). This, combined with the quite bad performance of new nominations, is making me think that the large number of voters is causing a "regression to the mean" in which the historically popular songs all do well and there is no room for a dark horse to make a run based on a few favorable votes.

[Sir Ian Plätschisch]

Flowchart of remaining rounds:

[Sir Ian Plätschisch]

TMT20 ROUND 3 - GROUPS 1, 2, AND 3

Round 3 consists of five groups of ten songs each. The top five songs from each group advance according to the flowchart above. Groups are drawn randomly in such a way that each group contains two 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th place songs from Round 2.

We will vote on groups 1, 2, and 3 and then groups 4 and 5. Each voting period will last three days (72 hours). Votes cast after that will not be accepted, with the exception that we will always keep going until we have at least three votes per group.

Give your top four songs 4, 3, 2, and 1 points, respectively. You must give points to exactly three or four songs (awarding the 1-point vote is optional).

GROUP 1
Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young - Ohio
David Bowie - Starman
Dire Straits - Telegraph Road
Falco - Der Kommissar
Fleetwood Mac - The Chain
Gaelic Storm - One More Day Above the Roses
Kenny Rogers - The Gambler
Radiohead - Paranoid Android
Rush - Subdivisions
The Who - Baba O'Riley

GROUP 2
Blue Öyster Cult - Burnin' For You
Devo - Freedom of Choice
Eagles - Lyin' Eyes
Ennio Morricone - Man with a Harmonica
Men at Work - Down Under
New Order - Blue Monday
Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody
Queen - Innuendo
Toto - Africa
Whiskey Myers - On The River

GROUP 3
Beatles - Eleanor Rigby
Dire Straits - Sultans Of Swing
Earth, Wind and Fire - September
Eurythmics - Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)
Foo Fighters - Walk
Gorillaz - Clint Eastwood
Muse - Uprising
Police - Message in a Bottle
Rammstein - Haifisch
Rolling Stones - You Can't Always Get What You Want

Tiebreakers:
- Number of voters giving 4 points
- Number of voters giving 3 points
- Number of voters giving 2 points
- PPV in Round 2
- Last year's result (1 > 2 > ... > 20 > Round 4 > Round 3 > Round 2 > other)
- PPV in Round 1 (if applicable)
- Random chance

Tactical voting refers to either giving more points than you normally would to a song because it would make the difference between it going through or getting eliminated, or giving fewer points than you normally would to a song because it might kick a song you like even more out of the competition. This is hard to prevent, but my very strong request would be to not do it. Give points to the songs you believe deserve to go through, regardless of how others are voting. Doing otherwise reduces the value of votes that came before you, which is unfair to them. Remember that it's not a competition between voters, but a collective effort to make a nice list of songs we like. Thanks.

I did my best with all the links but there is always a chance some are broken or have a wrong version or bad audio quality. If a link is broken or you have a suggestion for a better link, please contact me or post the link in the thread. Officially, we are not voting on the YouTube link, but on the listed Artist + Title.

COMMENTARY ON THE PROGRESS OF THE GAME, THE RULES, WHAT SONGS YOU LIKE, ETC., IS VERY WELCOME.
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[Tric’hard Lenxheir]

Round 3 Group 1

4. Fleetwood Mac-The Chain
3. The Who-Baba O'Riley
2. Rush-Subdivisions
1. Kenny Rogers-The Gambler

Group 2

4. Blue Oyster Cult-Burnin' For You
3. Men At Work-Down Under
2. Toto-Africa
1. Whiskey Myers-On The River

Group 3

4. Dire Straits-Sultans Of Swing
3. Police-Message In A Bottle
2. Earth, Wind & Fire-September
1. Rolling Stones-You Can't Always Get What You Want

[Glüc]

1: This group feels rigged  :'(
Paranoid Android - 4
Telegraph Road - 3
Subdivisions - 2
The Chain - 1

2: sorry Lüc
Innuendo - 4
Bohemian Rhapsody - 3
Blue Monday - 2
Down Under - 1

3: Not a single weak song this group
Haifisch - 4
YCAGWYW - 3
Sweet Dreams - 2
Sultans - 1

[Glüc]

Participation has been good so far, but I'm really hoping we can somehow get even more people this round (or maybe the return of some earlier participants @Breneir Tzaracomprada @NRB @Eiric S. Bornatfiglheu @Ián Tamorán S.H. @Iason Taiwos ?). This is the round that decides most of what gets into the top 20 after all.


I think this will in a couple more posts be the most replied to thread on witt btw...

[esbornatfiglheu]

GROUP 1
4- Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young - Ohio
1- David Bowie - Starman
3- Radiohead - Paranoid Android
2- The Who - Baba O'Riley

GROUP 2
4- Devo - Freedom of Choice
1- Eagles - Lyin' Eyes
2- Ennio Morricone - Man with a Harmonica
3- Men at Work - Down Under

GROUP 3
2- Dire Straits - Sultans Of Swing
4- Foo Fighters - Walk
3- Gorillaz - Clint Eastwood
1- Rolling Stones - You Can't Always Get What You Want

[Sir Ian Plätschisch]

GROUP 1
4 - Gaelic Storm - One More Day Above the Roses
3 - The Who - Baba O'Riley
2 - Fleetwood Mac - The Chain
1 - Kenny Rogers - The Gambler

GROUP 2
4 - Whiskey Myers - On The River
3 - Blue Öyster Cult - Burnin' For You
2 - Men at Work - Down Under
1 - Toto - Africa

GROUP 3
4 - Muse - Uprising
3 - Foo Fighters - Walk
2 - Rammstein - Haifisch
1 - Police - Message in a Bottle

[xpb]

GROUP 1
4 - Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young - Ohio
3 - Dire Straits - Telegraph Road
2 - The Who - Baba O'Riley
1 - Radiohead - Paranoid Android

GROUP 2
4 - Devo - Freedom of Choice
3 - Blue Öyster Cult - Burnin' For You
2 - Eagles - Lyin' Eyes
1 - Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody

GROUP 3
4 - Earth, Wind and Fire - September
3 - Rolling Stones - You Can't Always Get What You Want
2 - Eurythmics - Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)
1 - Police - Message in a Bottle

[King Txec]

Group 1
4 - David Bowie - Starman
3 - Fleetwood Mac - The Chain
2 - Kenny Roger's - The Gambler
1 - Radiohead - Paranoid Android

Group 2
4 - Eagles - Lyin' Eyes
3 - Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody
2 - New Order - Blue Monday
1 - Men at Work - Down Under

Group 3

4 - Eurythmics - Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)
3 - Rolling Stones - You Can't Always Get What You Want
2 - Beatles - Eleanor Rigby
1 - Earth, Wind and Fire - September

[Sir Lüc]

GROUP 1
4. David Bowie - Starman
3. Dire Straits - Telegraph Road
2. Fleetwood Mac - The Chain
1. Falco - Der Kommissar

GROUP 2
4. Toto - Africa
3. Queen - Innuendo
2. Ennio Morricone - Man with a Harmonica
1. Men at Work - Down Under

GROUP 3
4. Eurythmics - Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)
3. Dire Straits - Sultans Of Swing
2. Earth, Wind and Fire - September
1. Rammstein - Haifisch

[Placiej]

GROUP 1
1 Dire Straits - Telegraph Road
2 Fleetwood Mac - The Chain
3 Gaelic Storm - One More Day Above the Roses
4 The Who - Baba O'Riley

GROUP 2
1 Blue Öyster Cult - Burnin' For You
2 Eagles - Lyin' Eyes
3 Toto - Africa
4 Whiskey Myers - On The River

GROUP 3

1 Dire Straits - Sultans Of Swing
2 Foo Fighters - Walk
3 Police - Message in a Bottle
4 Rolling Stones - You Can't Always Get What You Want

[Sir Ian Plätschisch]

Voting on groups 1-3 is closed.

GROUP 1
1. Baba O'Riley - 14 (two 3-point votes)
2. The Chain - 14 (one 3-point vote)

3. Telegraph Road - 10

4. Starman - 9 (two 4-point votes)
5. Paranoid Android - 9 (one 4-point vote)

6. Ohio - 8
7. One More Day Above the Roses - 7
8. Subdivisions - 4 (two 2-point votes)
9. The Gambler - 4 (one 2-point vote)
10. Der Kommissar - 1


GROUP 2
1. Burnin' For You - 11 (one 4-point vote)
2. Down Under - 11 (no 4-point votes)

3. Africa - 10

4. On The River - 9 (two 4-point votes)
5. Lyin' Eyes - 9 (one 4-point vote)

6. Freedom of Choice - 8
7. Innuendo - 7 (one 4-point vote)
8. Bohemian Rhapsody - 7 (no 4-point votes)
9. Blue Monday - 4 (R2 PPV = 1.2727)
10. Man with a Harmonica - 4 (R2 PPV = 0.7000)


GROUP 3
1. You Can't Always Get What You Want - 15
2. Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This) - 12

3. Sultans Of Swing - 11

4. Walk - 9 (one 3-point vote)
5. September - 9 (no 3-point votes)

6. Message in a Bottle - 8
7. Haifisch - 7
8. Uprising - 4
9. Clint Eastwood - 3
10. Eleanor Rigby - 2

Group 2 was the death knell for both very new and very old songs:
-Both of the new nominations in Group 2 (Freedom of Choice and Blue Monday) were eliminated. Along with the elimination of Der Kommissar in Group 1, this means that there will be no new nominations in the Top 20. I believe this is the first time this has happened.
-Bohemian Rhapsody will not be in the Top 20 (and indeed, not be in the Top 5) for the first time ever.

Curiously, the cut line was the same for each of the three groups (9), which meant that at least three voters had to give a song points for it to move on.