Quote from: þerxh Sant-Enogat on May 01, 2025, 10:35:36 AMA sense of the Ziu is for non-binding proclamation (Lexhatx H 2.1.2.1)
Shouldn't we replace the C 1.2.1 with

Quotethis database system and all managed data shall be considered to be the property of the Kingdom of Talossa.

to keep this at least as part of the Law ?

Lüc, your thoughts?

Please to be Clarking The Judicial Retirement (Oh Boy Here We Go Again) Bill. This is a Government bill.

It would be nice if the Attorney General @Dr. Pôl dal Nordselvă and the Mençéi @þerxh Sant-Enogat could chime in in the next 24 hours...

I like the idea of a Committee Bureau of Public Safety

Done

Quote from: Munditenens Tresplet on April 29, 2025, 04:57:54 PMI think as a government owned forum, it would be appropriate to codify some informal Wittenberg policy.

Well, we already have Wittiquette. IMHO it would be pretty much enough if the Government were to back up Witt moderators to enforce it.

QuoteI think that it would also be possible to write in due process provisions, such that the alleged offending party who is immediately restricted from posting may have access to challenge the determination

Rules for appealing moderation are a good idea. One caveat is that - and @Sir Lüc can correct me if I'm wrong - if a post is deleted it disappears forever, which might be an issue if a moderation decision is overruled.

QuoteI think that our public statement of how the policy should be interpreted could also denote when actions rise to the level or continue after Witt restrictions to a level of criminal harassment that is already codified. Such as "will refer to AG" or "may refer to AG".

Good!

QuoteThere are further intricacies to consider: what if the alleged victim is the moderator?

Let's face it, the case that brought all this to a head is one where the victim is the Secretary of State. I don't think a moderator needs to do anything different if they are targeted, but they should be aware that a heightened standard of scrutiny may apply. Moderators are responsible to the Secretary of State for doing their job properly; the Secretary of State is responsible to the Seneschal and the Ziu.

QuoteOr what if the alleged offending party is an elected member of the Ziu?

My reading of Organic Law and El Lexhatx Section J is that it would be impermissible to ban citizens from the parts of Wittenberg which are necessary to participate as a citizen, eg. having recourse to the Courts, or (if an MZ) access to the Ziu boards. However, the Courts can moderate their own boards, and the Túischac'h and Mençéi can moderate the Ziu boards, which can at least involved *temporary* bans.

Quote from: El Lexhatxh H.1.11.1. Following each General Election, an official State Opening of the Ziu shall take place for the purpose of inaugurating the incoming Ziu and Government.

    1.1.1. The State Opening shall be organized and conducted by the Túischac'h and Mençei, working in coordination and cooperation with each other. They shall jointly set the place and time for the meeting to take place. The meeting may take place in person, using video conferencing tools, or on Wittenberg.

I urge our newly elected presidents of the Houses of the Ziu, @Munditenens Tresplet and @þerxh Sant-Enogat , to put their heads together quickly to make the state opening happen!

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 28, 2025, 04:47:17 PM

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on April 28, 2025, 04:03:50 PMWe are seriously talking about "giving someone a timeout for being a jerk".

Great way to think about it. It would also be very funny to see it legislated this way.

I think on several occasions I've tried to suggest a "Being A Jerk, Minus A Million Points" Act

BTW, as a late but enthusiastic signatory to the Joint Statement, we should really formally invite @Munditenens Tresplet to participate here.

I have to draw the Summit's attention once again to the fact that we already have criminal sanctions for harassment.

Quote from: El Lexhatx A.7.1.2"Harassment" shall mean engaging in a course of conduct or repeatedly committing acts which harass, intimidate or distress a person and which serve no legitimate purpose.

Quote from: El Lexhatx A.7.3.2Whoever commits fraud or harassment against any citizen or "judicial person" under Talossan law is guilty of a serious misdemeanour. Whoever commits threats of the above is guilty of a misdemeanour.

So whatever we're talking about here - Wittenberg moderation and other informal sanctions, has to kick in at a level lower than the definition given in A.7.1.2. We are seriously talking about "giving someone a timeout for being a jerk".

Just confirming that my vote for Túischac'h is @Munditenens Tresplet

Sounds good. I just wanted to make one other thing crystal clear to all watching. Point 2 of the joint statement:

Quotewe pledge non-cooperation with and informal boycotts of serial harassers whose behaviour does not (yet) rise to the level of criminal activity; to end when such offenders convincingly change their ways.

is already being enacted both by the Government as a whole and by the political forces making up the Government. Though we don't always stick to it rigidly, we have a norm of refraining from engaging directly with Breneir. I'm not sure whether he's noticed that we only talk to him when we're legally obliged to, eg. in Terpelaziuns, but if we're laying out the situation for a wider audience, probably best to make that crystal clear. Amazingly enough, the term "cordon sanitaire" is already in the Talossan dictionary!

@Sir Lüc please to be sending the above to the CRL

WHEREAS the National Database has now been successfully replaced, as shown by the near-flawless running of the 61st Cosa election;

and WHEREAS when the reason for a law ceases, so should the law itself;

BE IT ENACTED by the King, Senäts and Cosa of Talossa in Ziu assembled that El Lexhatx C.1.2.1 and C.1.2.1.1, which currently read:

Quote1.2.1. One member of the Chancery shall be the Royal Data Clerk, heading the Office of Dynamic Data Management. The function of the Office of Dynamic Data Management is to manage all computer records owned by the Kingdom of Talossa for its official functions and delegated to its care in order to help other Royal Households, Ministries or any other organization of the Kingdom which needs data management. The Royal Data Clerk may be the same person as the Secretary of State. The Royal Data Clerk shall be considered an Officer of the Royal Household.

            1.2.1.1. Once the first Royal Data Clerk accepts his position, and once two members of the Cort pü Inalt have confirmed that they are in receipt of full and accessible backups of the database system currently hosted on talossa.ca, this database shall be considered to be the property of the Office of Dynamic Data Management and thus, the property of the Kingdom of Talossa.

are hereby repealed and replaced by the following:

Quote1.2.1. The Chancery may avail itself of a database system comprising a website and database backend, in order to facilitate the storage of information and records, the management of citizenship rolls, the operations of the Ziu, the holding of elections and censuses, and any other function which is delegated to or administered by the Chancery.

FURTHERMORE, it is the Sense of the Ziu:

- that such a database system should be hosted on national property;
- that if self developed, its source code should be made open as soon as practical, roughly coinciding with a state of "stable release";
- that if not self developed, the chosen software preferably be free and open source;
- that the underlying data should be appropriately backed up;
- that the Chancery should inform the citizenry whenever appropriate, regarding changes in features, hosting, policies and regulations;
- that regardless of the actual officials in charge of technical maintenance and/or development, the Secretary of State should always have full access to all parts of the database;
- that the Chancery should provide for redundant superuser access, and therefore, that more than one user should be able to manage all subsystems directly from the web interface;
- that any and all balloting systems should be engineered so to make impossible to reveal a voter's choices even to administrators, if chosen to be secret, except for investigating on potential irregularities as provided by law or directed by the Judiciary;
- that any and all balloting systems should provide "receipt" tools for the verification of any voter's choices by the voter themselves.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 26, 2025, 09:46:44 AMD:na Seneschal, do you have an agenda in mind?

Well, after I got the previous essay off my chest, I think we're into what I think should be the first part of the agenda, re: defining the terms of debate. And I think we're close to doing so: balancing freedom of speech, expression and political debate with maintaining "public order" in the sense of a healthy discourse environment, as allowed under the First Covenant. I assume we're all agreed that this means in whole or in part establishing norms of discourse that will be enforced by Chancery moderation on Wittenberg - is there anything else?

I have also asked two recent victims of harassment, @Sir Lüc and @Bråneu Excelsio, UrN to give formal statements.