Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Today at 04:28:40 PMHe was quoting Mic'haglh, I believe, who called the current oath an "Orwellian practice."

Yes, I knew that.

-Txec R

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Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Today at 04:44:12 PMlet's say that Party A won 50%, Party B won 25%, and Party C won 25%.  In a 20-seat Cosa, that's 10 seats for A, 5 seats for B, and 5 seats for C.  But if B won six of the provincial seats, then they'd have 30% (more than their share of the national vote) and so A and B would need extra until things were proportional.

You could do it that way, but that's the harder way. The simpler option would be to just live with the overhang. Let's say A and C both won 1 province. Then, Party A gets 9 party list seats (to sum up to 10) and Party C gets 4 seats (to sum up to 5). So that's a total Cosa of 21 seats. Party B gets a small bonus.

Yeah, that's the original MMP system that is still in use in New Zealand. What AD mentioned are called compensatory seats and Germany moved to a system with compensatory seats because the Constitutional Court ruled that the old system was unconstitutionally disproportional (mainly Bavaria's fault), which in turn lead to ever bigger parliament sizes... the system we use now caps parliament size at 630, and abolishes overhang seats entirely: now, if a party wins more constituencies than their party vote would justify, the candidates that won by the narrowest margin simply don't get in, meaning some constitutuencies (IIRC again mainly Bavarian ones) not having a local representative.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Today at 04:44:12 PMlet's say that Party A won 50%, Party B won 25%, and Party C won 25%.  In a 20-seat Cosa, that's 10 seats for A, 5 seats for B, and 5 seats for C.  But if B won six of the provincial seats, then they'd have 30% (more than their share of the national vote) and so A and B would need extra until things were proportional.

You could do it that way, but that's the harder way. The simpler option would be to just live with the overhang. Let's say A and C both won 1 province. Then, Party A gets 9 party list seats (to sum up to 10) and Party C gets 4 seats (to sum up to 5). So that's a total Cosa of 21 seats. Party B gets a small bonus.

Okay, so it seems like there's a lot of offers of help with figuring this out.  I think I have a sense of my caucus, and I think I can say that there would be flat-out no real support for anything that gets rid of the Senats unless it was demonstrably better in very specific and practical ways.  My strong suggestion is that we focus on versions of this that would work with the Senats, not eliminate it, if we want to come up with something that has broad support.

So looking at the nuts and bolts here, we could:

• Elect a senator from each province at the current interval.
• Elect an MC from each province every election.
• Choose a party as well.

It doesn't seem like this would interfere with RCV for the Senats at all, and it seems like we'd have enough people for this, right?

Miestra has proposed that we'd add however many seats necessary to ensure that the results would be proportional to the vote.  But that's a question of degree, right?  Like... let's say that Party A won 50%, Party B won 25%, and Party C won 25%.  In a 20-seat Cosa, that's 10 seats for A, 5 seats for B, and 5 seats for C.  But if B won six of the provincial seats, then they'd have 30% (more than their share of the national vote) and so A and B would need extra until things were proportional.  How does that look?  How close would things need to be?

He was quoting Mic'haglh, I believe, who called the current oath an "Orwellian practice."

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Orwellian implies "draconian control by propaganda, surveillance, disinformation, and denial of truth." I fail to see how the current Oath is any of those things. You think OUR oath is "Orwellian" you should check out the United Kingdom's oath.

-Txec R

I don't think anybody objects to the change of the content of the oath, but I see that Mic'haglh insists on keeping unrelated Whereas clauses which aim at delivering some political messages.. Any opponent to these messages has already been qualified as Orwellian. Smart, isn't it ?