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El Funal/The Hopper / Re: The Sentient Rights Act
Last post by Breneir Tzaracomprada - Today at 09:39:00 AMQuote from: Sir Ian Plätschisch on Today at 07:11:02 AMFor the record, papal encyclicals are not considered infallible even by Roman Catholics (and I am not one).
I disagree with your assessment that the question must eventually be answered (the implication being answered through natural means in a way that provides proof). In light of Thomas Nagel's conclusions in his essay "What is it Like to be a Bat" (which I heartily recommend), it seems impossible that we would ever know what it is "like" to be an AI, or (the more important question here) if it is "like" anything at all, regardless of outward appearance.
There is no way of getting at the truth of this matter without adverting to philosophy.
The sarcasm was simply about disagreement with the pope's conclusion generally as a powerful figure. As someone who was raised Catholic though I knew about the encyclicals, Ian. :) Visiting the Vatican was quite the experience.
It might be possible to infer some form of subjective experience (suffering, for example) from observing physical responses, the capacity of which, Bentham suggested be used as a measure of sentience. And I am optimistic that yes we will be able to describe individual qualia eventually. One day I will know what it is like to be a bat and what it is like to be Ian.
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El Ziu/The Ziu / Re: State Opening & next Joint...
Last post by King Txec - Today at 08:27:38 AMI have marked my availability.
-Txec R
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El Funal/The Hopper / Re: The Sentient Rights Act
Last post by Sir Ian Plätschisch - Today at 07:11:02 AMFor the record, papal encyclicals are not considered infallible even by Roman Catholics (and I am not one).
I disagree with your assessment that the question must eventually be answered (the implication being answered through natural means in a way that provides proof). In light of Thomas Nagel's conclusions in his essay "What is it Like to be a Bat" (which I heartily recommend), it seems impossible that we would ever know what it is "like" to be an AI, or (the more important question here) if it is "like" anything at all, regardless of outward appearance.
There is no way of getting at the truth of this matter without adverting to philosophy.
I disagree with your assessment that the question must eventually be answered (the implication being answered through natural means in a way that provides proof). In light of Thomas Nagel's conclusions in his essay "What is it Like to be a Bat" (which I heartily recommend), it seems impossible that we would ever know what it is "like" to be an AI, or (the more important question here) if it is "like" anything at all, regardless of outward appearance.
There is no way of getting at the truth of this matter without adverting to philosophy.
#4
El Ziu/The Ziu / Re: State Opening & next Joint...
Last post by Sir Lüc - Today at 06:02:50 AM- Of course, if a significant number of crucial attendees cannot make it, there's provisions in place to hold a textual state opening here.
- Once more, while I don't think it's worthwhile to vote on the Clark, I would encourage people to think about reserving some time for face-to-face debate on their own Hoppered bills, which I think would be more productive and helpful.
- Also, once this is settled, I would already like to start planning the November Informal Joint Session -- it's Budget month and I would really like to afford the Government and MinFin a proper chance at presenting it.
#5
El Ziu/The Ziu / State Opening & next Joint Ses...
Last post by Sir Lüc - Today at 05:58:25 AMAzul,
seeing as there are now presiding officers in place for both Houses of the Ziu, and in my capacity as Deputy Túischac'h, I would like to belatedly kick off preparations for the State Opening of the Ziu.
Unlike the First Clark of the previous term, most MZs have voted already and the slate consists of nonbinding resolutions only, so I would rather start thinking about a November Joint Session now, and leave the State Opening to be strictly about the swearing-in and connected formalities, and (I strongly suggest) some time to debate Hoppered bills face-to-face. This also means we don't strictly need to hold this before the Clark is over.
I have created the following link to track attendance: https://www.when2meet.com/?39113703-8hwkS
Paging ministers, major party leaders & King & Mençei for their availability:
@Baron Alexandreu Davinescu @Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC @Mic'haglh Autófil, O.Be @xpb @Françal I. Lux @Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP @Danihel Txechescu @þerxh Sant-Enogat @Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir @King Txec @Crement Itravilatx @Breneir Tzaracomprada @Garth Spencer
seeing as there are now presiding officers in place for both Houses of the Ziu, and in my capacity as Deputy Túischac'h, I would like to belatedly kick off preparations for the State Opening of the Ziu.
Unlike the First Clark of the previous term, most MZs have voted already and the slate consists of nonbinding resolutions only, so I would rather start thinking about a November Joint Session now, and leave the State Opening to be strictly about the swearing-in and connected formalities, and (I strongly suggest) some time to debate Hoppered bills face-to-face. This also means we don't strictly need to hold this before the Clark is over.
I have created the following link to track attendance: https://www.when2meet.com/?39113703-8hwkS
Paging ministers, major party leaders & King & Mençei for their availability:
@Baron Alexandreu Davinescu @Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC @Mic'haglh Autófil, O.Be @xpb @Françal I. Lux @Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP @Danihel Txechescu @þerxh Sant-Enogat @Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir @King Txec @Crement Itravilatx @Breneir Tzaracomprada @Garth Spencer
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El Funal/The Hopper / Re: The Advisory Opinion Remov...
Last post by Breneir Tzaracomprada - Yesterday at 09:08:27 PM@Sir Lüc Mr. Secretary would you please move this to the now fully constituted CRL?
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El Funal/The Hopper / Re: The Sentient Rights Act
Last post by Breneir Tzaracomprada - Yesterday at 09:07:22 PMOf course, the Pope can't possibly be wrong. </sarcasm> I agree though that walking out on the Pope because of a disagreement on machine consciousness is unwise as the question will be answered one way or the other eventually.
#8
Wittenberg / Re: [TBoC] Submissions Call fo...
Last post by Breneir Tzaracomprada - Yesterday at 08:56:33 PMConfirming receipt of a recipe submission from the esteemed cjovani himself Sir @Iason Taiwos !! Just a few more days left for submissions folks!
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La Società Rexhital per l'Avançamaintsch del Säp/The Royal Society for the Advancement of Knowledge / Re: Application for Membership
Last post by Breneir Tzaracomprada - Yesterday at 08:26:55 PMMadam President @Tierçéu Rôibeardescù Bumping this. Hope you are well.
#10
El Funal/The Hopper / Re: New Cosăs are a mess and n...
Last post by King Txec - Yesterday at 05:03:03 PMHere's a crazy idea and one that hasn't been considered. There is ONE person who is always a member of the Ziu. Me. I'm sure this won't be politically palatable, but as I am the only member of the Ziu who is by definition apolitical, I could be helping out in this regard. I know the SoS is also apolitical, but he isn't a member of the Ziu by law. Just throwing out my two bence. Feel free to tell me to go back and sit down on my somewhat battered throne.
-Txec R
-Txec R