The changes having been made, I see no further issue with the bill's form and function, and I vote to approve.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on Today at 04:30:49 PM

Quote from: Sir Lüc on Today at 02:27:51 AM

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on June 28, 2025, 05:38:39 PMPlease to be Clarking:

the Terpleziuns Reform Bill
the Immigration Reform (Antispam) Bill

It doesn't seem like either bill has currently passed the CRL; you're probably aware of this but just making sure.

Edit: the first bill has now passed the CRL and has been added to the queue (https://database.talossa.com/ziu/bills/unclarked)

Both bills have been commented on by 2 members of the CRL, what's the problem?

Well, pursuant to Lexh.H.2.1.6 commenting is not enough, the committee has to issue a recommendation (in practice always a positive one) by majority vote in order for a bill to pass the Hopper.

Edit: I'm sorry, I see what you mean - they made suggestions and you applied them. I'm not sure what precedent looks like here and I would still really prefer the CRL to explicitly say "fix this and we're good". Either way, I don't think this is enough reason to have the bill stuck for a month as it is unlikely to be amended or debated further, so I will allow it in the Clark.

Until this Government, the accepted practice was for pretty much anything to be admissible as the essay, even if it wasn't an "essay" in the classical sense. And now your proposed bill suggests instead a "test of basic knowledge about Talossa."

This is just a further step in the wrong direction. The decision to make it harder to immigrate by "raising the bar" has been a failure.

The facts are bitter and indisputable: the immigration rate has dropped by nearly half. We need a new approach.

Quote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on Today at 08:34:58 AMThen I see our leadership attempt to impose the very same things. Essays and tests to prove you will be "useful" citizens.

The bill which I just proposed to the Ziu *removes* the need for a new citizen to write an essay. The Baron has sworn to *oppose* that bill, to require every citizen to keep writing an essay, no matter if it's ChatGPT. You might want to ask him why he's doing that.

The problem comes when people use rhetoric which says one thing as an excuse for action to do the opposite.

Quote from: Sir Lüc on Today at 02:27:51 AM

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on June 28, 2025, 05:38:39 PMPlease to be Clarking:

the Terpleziuns Reform Bill
the Immigration Reform (Antispam) Bill

It doesn't seem like either bill has currently passed the CRL; you're probably aware of this but just making sure.

Edit: the first bill has now passed the CRL and has been added to the queue (https://database.talossa.com/ziu/bills/unclarked)

Both bills have been commented on by 2 members of the CRL, what's the problem?

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on Yesterday at 10:25:55 AMEl C'hlub Saxhitourófil should be archived. It has been nearly two years since the last post was made there.

@Sir Lüc Are you planning to make El C'hlub Saxhitourófil a sub-board or to archive it? I suggested it being archived as it has been nearly two years since there has been a post. Unfortunately, the Club appears to be inactive now.

I will say one thing and leave this discussion to the experts. Many people in Talossa (including Miestra and the Baron) have condemned the current leadership of our big brother nation surrounding most of Talossa for making immigration difficult to nearly impossible, requiring new citizens to show they will be useful citizens among other things. Then I see our leadership attempt to impose the very same things. Essays and tests to prove you will be "useful" citizens. I have said before that if I had been required to type out an essay I likely never would have been admitted as a citizen, I may not have even made the effort. Furthermore I have never tested well, there is a reason I am a truck driver in real life, I am not smart enough to have achieved a college degree, hell I barely graduated from high school and the reason for this is that I have never done well at tests. I don't know the answer to creating a better, more active citizenry but I don't think making it more difficult is the right answer. Then again perhaps some citizens here would rather the dumb old truck driver wasn't a citizen and wishes I could have been blocked.

No objections any more, thanks

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on June 28, 2025, 05:38:39 PMPlease to be Clarking:

the Terpleziuns Reform Bill
the Immigration Reform (Antispam) Bill

It doesn't seem like either bill has currently passed the CRL; you're probably aware of this but just making sure.

Edit: the first bill has now passed the CRL and has been added to the queue (https://database.talossa.com/ziu/bills/unclarked)

Yeah, I don't feel too strongly I guess about any of the changes in particular. Those were just my first thoughts about this to simplify and make things a little more welcoming.