Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on Yesterday at 06:08:28 PMWith the greatest respect to Tric'hard, Talossa includes 14 year old kids, and Geek Social Fallacy #1 - "ostracizers are evil" - is cancerous to any community it takes hold in. There has always been an issue in Talossa with impunity for acting the verpa; indeed, that's an issue in most walks of life. So for me, this is something of an existential struggle for the "soul" of Talossa.

Tric'hard decided that imposing social consequences on an unrepentant sex pest condemned unanimously by the Ziu, and not backing down from it, was much worse than being an unrepentant sex pest condemned unanimously by the Ziu, and was ruining his fun. That's his prerogative. It's suggested that the URL might be in political trouble if a lot of people think like that. But if a lot of people think like that, then Talossa is perhaps not worth defending. I have spent near three decades in Talossa and "sticking to a principle no matter how unpopular it makes you" has generally served me well.

Nevertheless: apologise to Lüc in a way that Lüc accepts and this is all over as a public political campaign.

Where did I say ostracizers are evil? I pointed to the effect of your public political campaign which is generally the sullying of Wittenberg (diminishing returns as a wise one called it) and now specifically causing one of our most active citizens to renounce. I do think that calling someone a sex pest, a predator, a verpa, and other things in private (I have been informed) are not aligning with the supposed goal of standing up for decency and protecting victims.

For me this about being consistent and standing up for my own values and identity as a disciple of beauty in life, about standing up to bullying, and remaining firm when the goalposts are moved.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on Yesterday at 06:08:28 PMI have spent near three decades in Talossa and "sticking to a principle no matter how unpopular it makes you" has generally served me well.

Right?! That is exactly what I am doing...

With the greatest respect to Tric'hard, Talossa includes 14 year old kids, and Geek Social Fallacy #1 - "ostracizers are evil" - is cancerous to any community it takes hold in. There has always been an issue in Talossa with impunity for acting the verpa; indeed, that's an issue in most walks of life. So for me, this is something of an existential struggle for the "soul" of Talossa.

Tric'hard decided that imposing social consequences on an unrepentant sex pest condemned unanimously by the Ziu, and not backing down from it, was much worse than being an unrepentant sex pest condemned unanimously by the Ziu, and was ruining his fun. That's his prerogative. It's suggested that the URL might be in political trouble if a lot of people think like that. But if a lot of people think like that, then Talossa is perhaps not worth defending. I have spent near three decades in Talossa and "sticking to a principle no matter how unpopular it makes you" has generally served me well.

Nevertheless: apologise to Lüc in a way that Lüc accepts and this is all over as a public political campaign.

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on Yesterday at 05:48:47 PM

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on Yesterday at 05:44:00 PM

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on Yesterday at 05:42:25 PMI have no idea what you're even arguing here.

The "terms" are that you man up and take responsibility for your actions, in such a way that Lüc, the victim of your harassment, accepts it. That's it.

Yes, man up and make a third apology rather than refer you back to those already made.
And ignore the name-calling of those who claim to be building a culture of respect and decency.

You can make as many half-hearted and non-serious 'apologies' as you want, if your victim doesn't accept them then they're not worth anything.
Of course, if you want to make excuses, feel free.

OK, Marcel. I am unable to reach Tric'hard as I don't have personal contact but I would urge those who do to please reach out and encourage him directly to return to the Kingdom.

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on Yesterday at 05:44:00 PM

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on Yesterday at 05:42:25 PMI have no idea what you're even arguing here.

The "terms" are that you man up and take responsibility for your actions, in such a way that Lüc, the victim of your harassment, accepts it. That's it.

Yes, man up and make a third apology rather than refer you back to those already made.
And ignore the name-calling of those who claim to be building a culture of respect and decency.

You can make as many half-hearted and non-serious 'apologies' as you want, if your victim doesn't accept them then they're not worth anything.
Of course, if you want to make excuses, feel free.

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on Yesterday at 05:42:25 PM

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on Yesterday at 05:40:28 PMMiestra I think the architects of the ostracizing and their terms is actually quite relevant. No one could argue that the Secretary of State's willingness to accept the apologies is of vital importance but it does not erase the fact that apologies have been made, actions have changed, and the behavior of the people who are attempting to ostracize is driving people out of the Kingdom.

I have no idea what you're even arguing here.

The "terms" are that you man up and take responsibility for your actions, in such a way that Lüc, the victim of your harassment, accepts it. That's it.

Yes, man up and make a third apology rather than refer you back to those already made.
And ignore the name-calling of those who claim to be building a culture of respect and decency.

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on Yesterday at 05:40:28 PMMiestra I think the architects of the ostracizing and their terms is actually quite relevant. No one could argue that the Secretary of State's willingness to accept the apologies is of vital importance but it does not erase the fact that apologies have been made, actions have changed, and the behavior of the people who are attempting to ostracize is driving people out of the Kingdom.

I have no idea what you're even arguing here.

The "terms" are that you man up and take responsibility for your actions, in such a way that Lüc, the victim of your harassment, accepts it. That's it.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on Yesterday at 05:31:05 PMWhat Marcel accepts or doesn't accept is irrelevant, it's what the actual victim (Lüc) accepts

Miestra I think the architects of the ostracizing and their terms is actually quite relevant. No one could argue that the Secretary of State's willingness to accept the apologies is of vital importance but it does not erase the fact that apologies have been made, actions have changed, and the behavior of the people who are attempting to ostracize is driving people out of the Kingdom.

What Marcel accepts or doesn't accept is irrelevant, it's what the actual victim (Lüc) accepts

@Tric'hard Lenxheir I'm very sad to see that you have left us. I hope in time you will come back. I enjoyed the talks we had and you brought new ideas to the kingdom.

-Txec R

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Yesterday at 03:02:39 PMWell, I can only once again extend an offer for you to do stuff like this on behalf of the people, working in the government. We can chat about the exact terms in private message, if you're interested.

To be honest, interesting offer. I'll think about it.