Thank you for the honor.  Please retain the silver cup in the archives of the Kingdom.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on April 14, 2021, 03:30:24 PM
Lotsa words being bandied around here to avoid saying that yes, XPB wants to split Cézembre from Talossa, for a King who's not even interested in Talossa any more (so why would he be interested in schismastic Cezembre, lol). Also interesting that XPB keeps talking about a "hereditary monarchy", which was abolished last year and I don't remember him getting upset. If John's interest in Talossa is zero, Patrick's is negative.

Anyway, looks pretty plain that the majority of opinion in CZ supports compromise over schism, so that's good.

A majority of Cézembre opinon may indeed wish to support the evolution of the Kingdom of Talossa to be the Republic of Talossa, with all the trappings of that type of system.  My interest is in Cézembre remaining a Kingdom, which may be a minority opinion.  It is not a split to remain as such, on the contrary it is the split the Republic is making.

Quote from: Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on April 14, 2021, 09:14:33 AM

Quote from: Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on April 14, 2021, 06:48:37 AM
I don't believe the Taiwan analogy is the the best example of that. Mainland china does not recognise it as a country and refuses dealings often with bodies when they also do dealings with Taiwan. I would defiantly not support any system like that at all.

At minimum it definitely is not a situation to strive for!

The people of Taiwan pursue a system of their beliefs and would be unlikely to prevail in changing the hearts and minds of China.  If there are eventually enough people in Taiwan that agree with the form of Chinese government then that may change.

A revolution, albeit incremental, is occurring in Talossa as it changes from a Kingdom to a Republic -- regardless of what window dressing is put on elected positions.  The question is whether Cezembre wishes to remain a Kingdom.

Quote from: Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on April 12, 2021, 06:29:46 PM
As Conservative, I will always try to keep to the status quo, where I can. Secession is a big step and not one to be taken lightly.
We know where this road leads, history will repeat itself and the trauma will be passed to the next generation of citizens. We must end this cycle.

One reason I offered the Taiwan analogy - in some places there can be one country - two systems.  Some think of Bavaria in this manner as well - im Bayern geht es alles anders.

Some believe that a 7-year president is the equivalent of a King.  I beg to differ.

"Slim" is the guy who takes out Leroy (Le Roi) Brown in the song.
I am poor at French, I translated that as "thin"

ergo - Many in Talossa want a Slim President for 7 year terms, rather than a robust hereditary King

Quote from: Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on April 12, 2021, 04:40:22 PM

Quote from: Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on April 12, 2021, 02:49:40 PM
So.
The Change is, what exactly?
Artical 1 will still read " ...and the Regipäts Talossan."

So whomever the king is of talossa, thus will be the king of cazambre as written.

"The King of Cézembre is King John I, until his demise, abdication, or removal from the throne. Should the King at any time renounce or lose his citizenship of Cézembre, that renunciation or loss shall be deemed to imply his abdication of the Throne. Upon the demise, abdication, or removal from the Throne of the King, l'Etats will consider a new candidate." 

Thus as King John were to be removed from the Talossan throne, We as a province must consider and vote I assume on a candidate for the throne. Thus if one were to be chosen as king of Cézembre, they would be our chosen person for the throne of Talossa.

So as far as I read, you wish to add additional steps for cezambre to chose its representative and candidate for the Talossan throne?

It would also grant additional powers to the talossan throne that they may not else where be granted
Section 6

The King may grant titles of nobility and confer awards and decorations.

Am I reading this right?

Because if the above is not correct, your talking of succession? Your also talking to somone who holds the largest number of seats in the l'Etats. And I may not be too happy about that kind of talk?

Yes, you and others have an entire majority of votes within l'Etats and could choose to reject any such proposal, or even remove me from office.  That is the nature of these types of legislative bodies, and this is a forum for discussion, thank you for participating. 

My understanding indicates that Robert I became King of Cezembre by Royal diktat, and that was an additional title accumulated by to our sovereign.  If Talossa decides to have a 7-year president, this would peserve that as a hereditary title.

Quote from: Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on April 12, 2021, 12:03:44 PM

Quote from: xpb on April 12, 2021, 11:35:38 AM
In consideration of current events in the Kingdom, perhaps a Cézembrean consulate to Taiwan is appropriate to have discussions of similar situations of our peoples Restaurant
Ephernité would be a good candidate for a location.

excusez-moi, que voulez-vous dire? je ne comprends pas?

Le Roi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvwDohEEQ1E - peut-être que le talossa veut mince

As related to https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=734.0
and the results posted at http://www.talossa.ca/files/bills.php?cosa=55&bill=21

RAK - The Lord Warden Shall Post Votes in Public

Be it resolved that when there is Voting and Debate thread for a Clark where a Lord Warden takes part, that person shall post their votes in the appropriate thread of discussion within the Senäts

I am sorry to see the results of the vote http://www.talossa.ca/files/bills.php?cosa=55&bill=21 with no further discussion here.

for the RAK
Party Registrations
Cézembre Party Pre-Registration with the Sénéchal and the Governor-General (Cunstaval):

Each party willing to run for the election will need to submit to the Sénéchal and the Governor-General (Cunstaval) the following information at least 24 hours before balloting day:

Their full Party Name
Their party Initials
Their 50 Word or less statement
Their party leader(s)
The URL of a party platform (optional)
A candidate list for seats (optional)

This information will be included on the Cézembre ballot. Write-in parties are not allowed, but the party of "self" with the name of the Citizen being the party shall be allowed. Parties that do not register at least 24 hours before balloting will not be able to receive seats.

In consideration of current events in the Kingdom, perhaps a Cézembrean consulate to Taiwan is appropriate to have discussions of similar situations of our peoples Restaurant
Ephernité would be a good candidate for a location.

Our King is on the RAK

Regarding the King - John by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Péngöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk with the official Talossan name of Ian Lupul:

Currently the CAG reads:

Article 1. The Sovereign Province of Cézembre is an autonomous and self-governing member of the federal Talossan nation and pledges eternal allegiance to His Royal Majesty, and the Regipäts Talossan.

Proposed A14 additions to Article 1

Section 1

Cézembre is a constitutional Monarchy with a King (or, if female, Queen) as its head of State.

Section 2

The King is the symbolic head of the Cézembre. Cézembre democratically grants the King certain Royal Powers and duties as described in this CAG and in statute law. l'Etats may establish procedures for when the King fails to perform a duty.

Section 3

The King of Cézembre is King John I, until his demise, abdication, or removal from the throne. Should the King at any time renounce or lose his citizenship of Cézembre, that renunciation or loss shall be deemed to imply his abdication of the Throne. Upon the demise, abdication, or removal from the Throne of the King, l'Etats will consider a new candidate.

Section 4

In dire circumstances, when the King is judged by competent medical authority to be incapable of executing his duties, or if he is convicted of violation of this CAG, treason, bribery, nonfeasance endangering the safety, order or good government of Cézembre, or other high crimes, Cézembre may remove the King from the Throne. l'Etats shall pronounce by a three-fourths vote, with the approval of  that the King is to be removed, and this pronouncement shall immediately be transmitted to the people for their verdict in a referendum. If a two-thirds majority of the people concur, the King is removed.

Section 5

The King may, at whim, appoint, replace, or remove a Regent (or a Council of Regency, which is considered equivalent to a Regent), who shall administer the government in the name of the King, and exercise all powers in the CAG or legally vested in the King, except the power to appoint or replace a Regent. l'Etats may by law remove or replace any appointed Regent, and if l'Etats removes a Regent appointed by the King, the King may not reappoint the same person Regent without the prior consent of the l'Etats.

Section 6

The King may grant titles of nobility and confer awards and decorations.

I introduce, as Sénéchal of Cézembre, with possible use by future administrations:

RAK = shortened form of the Breton raktresoù-lezenn, as a method to list proposed legislation, projet de loi, proxhet for the CAG ( CÉZEMBREAN ADMINISTRATION GUIDE )

To "put something on the RAK" will be to introduce items for discussion prior to posting and decision in sessions of l'Etats, similar to the hopper for the Ziu, and where some such RAK may rise to the level of referral by l'Etats for a poll of all Cézembreans.

Items of this type placed into https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?board=12.0 or similar at https://talossa.net/groups/citaxhienita-cezembre/ will use the preamble RAK until such time as forum discussion can be adjusted with a subdirectory for this purpose.

My apologies.

I shouldn't have commented in the discussions of this party to which I have never been a member.

I suppose I am increasingly regretful about my participation in reunison - but then again I suppose no good deed goes unpunished.

Quote from: GV on April 10, 2021, 07:51:15 AM
I echo everything Miestrâ and Viteu say elsewhere in this thread.  Elsewhere on Witt, I have given a rudimentary summary political history of the Kingdom (from my perspective) since 1 June 2004.  Read it and learn.

Bear in mind, we went about putting the Compromise together in the right way.  Knowing we needed buy-in from the population in a profound way, we surveyed the populace by way of non-binding referendum with the promise what came from this referendum would be acted upon in some way.

Had the lifetime monarchy won out convincingly, the Compromise never would have existed.  This is not what happened.  As with Brexit in the United Kingdom, and even more than with Brexit, the people gave themselves a split-decision.  Brexit was 52-48.  The monarchy referendum of 2020 was much closer. 

In this, the people were clear: a reformed monarchy was the way to go.  Preserve Talossan tradition, and hold the sovereign accountable periodically while still giving them a long term and breathing room.  Thus, we have the Compromise.

Much of the opposition to the Compromise stems from personal affection for John Woolley and a desire to not curtail him in any way.  Well, with his faux-abdication and complete refusal to be transparent about his intentions for the monarchy as well as appoint in Alexander Davinescu the most offensive individual to the 'republican' side possible as Regent-for-Life, he has showed in a very benign fashion the modern Talossan monarchy can be abused.

The Compromise will pass the Ziu, putting the question to the people.  The people will answer this question.  The Convocation will then meet, and John will either be tossed out of the kingship or retained for seven years.  This is not only a referendum on the mechanics of monarchy, but I believe in the minds of many, it is a referendum on John's own leadership, especially since August of 2020, which is when his rest and relaxation began and when the monarchy was dehereditized.

No-one is attacking you, by the way.

Quote from: Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on April 09, 2021, 03:35:45 PM
So you want the republic back again? As noted... How well did that do? You where down to 20 members and no activity? And you want to return to that? You returned to the fold to mold the kingdom back to your own image, doing away with king and regent, doing away with active citzans (perticulely those who disagree with you) and to hell with everything else. The republic didn't work or you would have let go, moved on and left the monarchy in the dust, but you didn't and apprently you couldn't let go because of what King Ben did to you. You Brought that attitude back with you, how dare king John succeed where you failed, how dare he re-envigarate the kingdom with out you, how dare he not call you back to the fold knowing that you would most likely hate him because you hate what he stands for, he has succeeded where Ben failed and you hate him for it. Plain and simple.


I already want withdraw my candidature, because I already can't stand for what I believe him without getting attacked form all angles. Even our Regent had to take a step back when you and he agruged to the point that there was no going back, he returned.

Id even go so far and renounce my citzanship too, but what would that change? Another monarchist run out of town who dared to raise his head. Oh no I'm staying. I brought myself a popcorn machine.

The strategy is not to have a monarch, but a 7 year president with veto powers, who can be re-elected, accomplished by the same techniques outlined in http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/~unger/articles/irv.html (see "some electoral suprises" ) while a simple "do you want a hereditary King or Queen - yes or no" was diluted by shaded options to confuse the issue and split the vote.
Fait accompli.

Good or bad, a King or Queen is outside the bounds of election, (similar to a Justice of the Supreme Court in the US) after their initial appointment, until their demise or resignation.  This is fundamental concept.